Native system over TDM WOW!

[MAProTulz]

A couple of things: The converters in the HD system
are better. A studio that's made the investment to
purchase HD is going to have a well thought out space,
good mics, good pres, so it'll be easy to get a good
sound on the way in.

Digi002R has good, quiet converters in my experience.
I'm not going to go into the minute "colors" that different
converters and clocks impart on the sound, but you can
definitely do great work on any product in Digi's range.

To do the test that was mentioned between a 002R system
and an HD1, you're not going to need stuff like a
MIDI, because the 002R has Midi I/O built in.

Having run a TDM system for a few years and now
having my own room with a 002R, I can say taht the
TDM system was more stable. That's probably unique
to my experience though and nothing universal.
I love my 002R, I love the TDM systems. The
TDM systems have repeatable results, you know
exactly how much power you're using at all times.
The native systems have come a long way since they
launched the 001.

Think of it this way: TDM is like a Studer while
the natives are like Otaris.

Dan Roth
Otitis Media
otitis-media.net

[zboy2854]

Well, I don't know if it's that cut and dry. After all, you can still use whatever converters and clock as your front end of a 001 or 002. I myself am getting a Rosetta 800 and Big Ben to front my 001 (possibly soon to be 002), which will give me the same converter and clock quality as any TDM/HD system.

[LurkerAtTheThreshold]

Shan (or anyone else)

I've heard about the VST wrapper-but are you sure this will enable us to use UAD1/Powercore with a PTLE rig? This would be very good news!

[zboy2854]

Yes, it has been confirmed by Angus himself from FXpansion Audio, the Powercore/UAD cards will work in PT with the VST/RTAS wrapper.

[Allen Hallada]

I went this route a couple years ago and asked these same questions. After working with guys with TDM systems, they still can't believe I'm getting these great sounds out of a 001. I say invest in better converters and pres myself.

digi 001 650.00
Cranesong HEDD192 A/D D/A 2800.00
Great River MP2NV Preamp 2150.00
A7M266 with XP2100+ 600.00
Total: 6200.00

I'm very happy!

Allen

[Shan]

Shan (or anyone else)

I've heard about the VST wrapper-but are you sure this will enable us to use UAD1/Powercore with a PTLE rig? This would be very good news!

From the horses mouth:

We will not be supporting PDC out of the gate, nor are there any immediate plans to do so - the Digi Audio Engine doesn't support it, RTAS doesn't support it, so there is no way to do it. However, the latency running the PowerCore and UAD-1 as RTAS plugins is only 32 or 64 samples, and is reported in such a way that you can slide your tracks over to compensate.

So, yes UAD-1 and Powercore will work as far as processing audio goes, but you will have to deal with any latency/PDC issues arising from their use manually.

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Technical Director (CTO)
FXpansion Audio UK Ltd
www.fxpansion.com


Shan

(We have to deal with latency in HD also. Thats why we have the 'Time adjuster' plug-in in HD. With 32 samples I wouldnt bother but nudging tracks isnt hard to do quickly if needed.)

[Barhab]

Just a comment to Rail Jon ..

If you've bought your HD rig just to use a Sony EQ, then you should have waited for the Powercore support for Pro Tools LE (with the FXpansion RTAS adapter) you can get the Sony Oxford EQ for it.

You mentioned the Sony EQ as a reason to go for HD .. I DON'T agree!

Someone talked about the converters being a reason for stepping up to HD .. well that's not worth it either. Buy a good mic pre with a digital option and great converter/s (like the Mindprint DTC) and connect it to Digi001 via SP/dif (voila!)

We're talking thousands of dollars here .. the HD should be many, many, many lengths ahead of a Digi001/002 system in EVERY way for that price !! (and it's not..but it has some options that Digi001/2 don't have)

[Rail Jon Rogut]

I didn't say it was the only reason.. I said it was a good reason.

I've owned a TDM rig since the early 90's -- my LE systems are used for mobility or if I require a second system for editing or doing minor overdubs -- and yes, I usually use external converters when recording with it. I only use the mic pre for talkback. Not because of any reason other than I like using my Neve and API preamps for tracking, and more than likely use a compressor before I hit the A to D.

I regularly require more than 32 tracks, and mix using Neve consoles.. so I definately require a TDM system... I love the fact that I can take my FireWire drives home and do most of my edits on my 002 tho'.

I'm also eager to try out the FxPansion RTAS adapters.

Considering the fact that soon there'll be input switching and PEC style recording available with HD, the extra DSP for new plug-ins on Accell, Beat Detective, integrated synch support, good sounding converters.. all make the HD price worth it IMO. If you're using the gear professionally, and billing a reasonable rate -- you should be able to pay off an HD rig in a month or two.

Rail

[31Hz]

beat detective...BEAT DETECTIVE. mmmmmmmm.

64 busses make difference for me too, as well as preferring to mix through our analog console, and hence being able to do greater than 16 o's. 192 don't hurt either, though not an option for mix.

Timecode (!) but now dv toolkit for LE.

nice to have the a...z quicks now. score another one for LE.

Just finished a session in a studio where the owner lamented his payout for 2 processes cards, purchased one month before the ACCEL cutoff. ouch. that do hurt.

31hz

[hanzoid]

follow this link for some cogent thoughts on native processing http://ardour.sourceforge.net/native-processing.html