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Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
I'm on latest Ultimate, HDX card, M1 Mac Studio. Firstly run in Hybrid mode - it's better than straight HDX - at least this system works better in hybrid mode. On an audio track load up your most hungry Dly Comp plugins - so it's crazy high (see photo - track to the far right) In my examples I've got it up to 50304 samples. I run an analog 2 bus so that will never be correctly compensated but I don't find that an issue. I can now run all the hungry plugins like Sonible and Sound Radix Without having to "Freeze" the track. Hope this helps someone.
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Re: Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
I am not following you. What specific delay compensation problem does this help avoid?
Ditto for having to freeze tracks, what delay comp problems does freezing a track help solve? (sure it can help refine DSP and CPU resources, but that is not not ally related to ADC problems) |
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Re: Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
In sessions when using high latency plugins like Sound Radix Pi and the Sonible Ai plugins
It's quite common for your delay compensation on some tracks to be orange or red Meaning they aren't being correctly compensated Which equals the audio playing back out of time Traditionally the work around is to freeze the track or plugins up to a slot of your choice to bring them back into time but then you can't edit the audio as it's 'frozen' This techniques I've come up with resolves this problem.
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Re: Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
Orange means it is the max being compensated of all the tracks. It is still being compensated. Red means it’s exceeded the ability to be compensated.
Your solution doesn’t change what’s compensated or not. You’ve just made everything NOT compensated. Always. Which is a way to work but not one I’d go with.
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Re: Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
All my session audio and aux tracks are yellow / green
2 bus is red Heavy comp track is red. All audio plays back correctly Means happy Angus. 😇
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Re: Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
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Are you saying that your tracks aren’t green or orange if you remove all of the processing off your faux master bus? I would expect them to all be green/orange as they are lower than the maximum 16383 samples of ADC that Pro Tools has.
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Re: Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
Ok. So you guys are correct. My loaded plug-in does not solve red delay compensation issues. Help please.
https://youtu.be/A4JGRcO1tto?si=hOkTpU37Z7pgtVfG
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Re: Beating Pro Tools Delay Compensation tip...
Help?
You put large latency plugins on the master fader and let them delay everything, but that does not count against the ADC limit (well except for the the broken behavior of master fader ADC actually counting to the limit) a few releases back. You avoid using large latency plugins/plugin settings outside of the master fader. You manually slide stuff around to solve latency problems. No I am not defending the embarrassing low ADC limit of Pro Tools here. Avid has needed to improve this for ages, and get Pro Tools out of obstructing users workflows. |
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I would try and rule out the presence of bugs first. The HDX Hybrid engine is riddled with delay compensation related issues. Perhaps try changing the session to a different playback engine, even if it is just your onboard computer sound card, and see if the delay issues vanish. There are plenty of threads about the problems and probably a decent number of know bugs listed in recent release notes. If you can't narrow it down to something HDX/Hybrid Engine related, it probably boils down to plugin selection. Personally, I print all my auto-align as part of the edit/session prep process. Once the tracks are aligned, I have never found a need to tinker with them further to justify keeping auto align as a realtime process. There is a lovely serenity in committing to a sound. Beyond that... it is probably too many "smart" and lookahead plugins. 16383 samples equals 350ms of delay. That is a lot. The best sounding 'smart' process I have ever heard in my studio is my Trinnov, and it does all its processing in just 24ms. You have a great set of ears on you, Angus. If you dig into the problem and find it is the result of plugin selection, I highly recommend returning a bunch of the processing back to basics. For highly complex resonances, the smart stuff has a place. Beyond that, it seems to quickly become a crutch of laziness for many audio engineers rather than something the genuinely improves the final product.
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Good points here I must admit I'm enjoying the auto type plugins as a way of sorting out nasty stuff fast and easily So then I can focus on creative EQ choices In some sessions I get away with it (no red DC) In others I don't Need to get more serious about getting under the hood and really understand how PT works I have a love / hate relationship with the software (am I allowed to say that here)
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