First experience with NVMe M.2 in enclosure - bad.

[spinsong]

What if they try to pull a fast one with pcie. They did it with pci in the past leaving those cards hard to upgrade without a chassis. Fool me once. They could always come up with some other jalopy and call it quits. What do you expect after Ventura; after they might do away with intel support all together. There’s a strong possibility that these pcie cards are running off intel or intel related chips. Obviously there’s an incompatibility between intel and the new chips. We’re talking outside the box not the inner workings and/ or similarities.
Another argument is, if the inside of the new macs are pcie, why can’t you get to it.
Why don’t you face it. The connectors are obsolete; just like like the chassis’ you’re trying to connect them to.
They did away with it alongside the 2013 macs
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[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by spinsong

What if they try to pull a fast one with pcie. They did it with pci in the past leaving those cards hard to upgrade without a chassis. Fool me once. They could always come up with some other jalopy and call it quits.

What are you talking about? Many (Most?) Mac users using a PCIe cards have long ago transitioned to Thunderbolt PCIe chassis. And Thunderbolt *is* PCIe, it's a pipe that connects to PCIe on the motherboard and provides PCIe lanes remotely, as well as doing a bunch of other stuff like display.

What do you expect after Ventura; after they might do away with intel support all together.

Apple will discontinue support for Intel based systems, and I personally expect that to happen in the next year or two. But so what.. you need the vendors to have device drivers for their cards/devices that work on Apple silicon. That already exists for many interfaces, for Avid HD and HDX cards etc. (Avid likely has some bugs to fix). If vendors don't have drivers already then that's a likely sign they never will, time to dump those few vendors.

There’s a strong possibility that these pcie cards are running off intel or intel related chips. Obviously there’s an incompatibility between intel and the new chips. We’re talking outside the box not the inner workings and/ or similarities.

This makes no technical sense. You trying to say needs a compatible device driver???

Another argument is, if the inside of the new macs are pcie, why can’t you get to it.

Another argument for what? That you have no idea what you are talking about?

Packaging is a design choice, vendors choose to or not to provide PCIe expansion slots for a variety of reasons, you want them built-in then buy a computer with PCIe slots. And with all Macs you *can* get to PCIe... via Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt *is* PCIe. Wether that does everything needed depends on what you are doing. I'm waiting for a new Mac Pro for more high-speed connectivity and built in PCIe expansion slots. Until then I have multiple Thunderbolt PCIe chassis connecting to storage, networking and other PCIe cards.

Not sure why you would post something claiming you can't "get to PCIe" in a thread that is all about doing *exactly* that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ben Jenssen]

I have achieved what was my goal in the first place; Increasing my available storage, and at the same time getting my most imortant and speed-needing data on a faster external disk.

I had the faulty $160 Kinston 2TB NVMe SSD replaced, and the new one seems to be working good in the OWC Envoy Express Thunderbolt enclosure ($100). (In my country, everything is a little pricey. I guess because most of us have money to spend). I have r/w speed of about 1300/1000MB/s, and plenty of space left. It's not super-fast, but good value, I think.

This NVMe replaces my 2.5" SATA drive with sub 400MB/s speed, which now serves as 3rd level storage/backup.

Added: I could have had higher speeds with a faster NVMe and a faster enclosure, but that would cost me hundreds of dollars more.

[Obsidian Dragon]

Thanks for sharing that Ben. I've been following this thread with the intent to get an external thunderbolt unit for adding an NVME SSD. I'm not looking at multiple NVME slots or more PCI-e slots, just adding one NVME SSD. I was worried when you experienced issues as capacity increased. Now that you discovered it was a faulty SSD, I can rest assured it is not an issue with the OWC Envoy Express Thunderbolt enclosure.

[Ben Jenssen]

Originally Posted by Obsidian Dragon

I can rest assured it is not an issue with the OWC Envoy Express Thunderbolt enclosure.

Yes, I think you can. No guarantee, of course!
It did get VERY hot when I transferred data to it, so a bit of a nervous wait, but it worked out fine. I did the copying in three main bolks, the biggest around 450GB, and let it cool off a bit inbetween. Just to be safe.

In normal dayly use it doesn't get hot at all.

Good luck.

[Obsidian Dragon]

Thanks again. This will be used for additional storage to keep my fast internal Apple SSD free for Protools sessions. I'm getting a Mac Studio with an 2TB internal drive and don't want to fill that up with things that I can offload to the external SSD. I'll keep an eye on the heat (may point a fan at the unit) when transferring large data volumes.

[spinsong]

Let me drop the bomb on this. Once the code is m1 or higher only, pcie 3 won’t be supported, and pcie 4 even though implemented, currently is not being used. Sonnet won’t support pcie 4 as well, not in the soon future at least.


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[Ben Jenssen]

Why don't you guys take your childish argument elsewhere.
It's off-topic.

[spinsong]

It’s not off topic. The reason you’re having issues is because you have a pcie 3 enclosure which is using Rosetta 2 to run. Don’t expect it to work on future updates. If you want your pcie 3 cards to work, invest in a high end intel like the Mac Pro.
I don’t normally give free consulting. I charge fees for my services. Take your rubbish somewhere else.

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[Ben Jenssen]

Originally Posted by spinsong

It’s not off topic. The reason you’re having issues is because you have a pcie 3 enclosure which is using Rosetta 2 to run. Don’t expect it to work on future updates. If you want your pcie 3 cards to work, invest in a high end intel like the Mac Pro.
I don’t normally give free consulting. I charge fees for my services. Take your rubbish somewhere else.

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Let me put it this way; GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY THREAD!