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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
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Also worth noting that the pan depth setting *only* affects stereo mixes - if you're mixing in any surround format then pan depth is fixed at the standard -3dB regardless of setting in the Session Setup window.
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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
Exactly.
the only point of 'pan laws' is to make MOVING the pan position sound more even as the signal moves through the centre. once you pick a static position it's meaningless.
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Pretty simple, really. Thanks for sorting it out for us, folks.
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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
Yes this is it exactly, but I think it has to be borne in mind that a mix with 2.5 pans will, by necessity, sound different collapsed down to mono than a pan setting of say 4.5dB. Maybe this is axiomatic, but to me I felt like e.g a sound hard-panned could sound too “quiet” in the overall balance when it collapsed to mono using 2.5db settings. I would urge everyone who doubts this to just try it out for themselves. This probably isn’t the definition of “mono compatibility” but it is an interesting phenomenon if you’re unaware of it and I think that’s what I was driving at. I find it fairly hard to believe that the original default setting for the pan of 2.5dB was considered fine up until version 8 or whichever one it was that introduced this option.
Last edited by midnightrambler; 03-27-2022 at 02:07 AM. |
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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
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You'll only notice pan law making a difference to a mix if you switch the pan law in a pre-existing balanced mix, but that would affect the stereo mix too, not just the fold-down. Pan law options are just different volume taper characteristics between left and right (or multiple-channels) as you adjust the pan control. They are not fold-down coefficients. They just affect the level of channels as you pan between them, and different people may favour different settings (partly on personal preference and what feels comfortable with no bumps or dips in level as they pan across the soundstage, partly on the quality of the monitoring/room setup). They have no later effect on anything. You can't hear what pan law anyone chose after the fact, they'll pan things where they want and quite possibly then further adjust the level for a good balance. Cheers, Pete |
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Hmm okay thanks guys I think I will have to eat a bit of humble pie on this one. Every day is a school day
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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
No worries, it's all a learning journey! Been in post sound for 40 years and I'm still picking up new ideas/knowledge - or perhaps I'm just quite slow 😂
Cheers, Pete |
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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
I'm not convinced. I think the assertion that it doesn't matter is based on the simplistic assumption that no one ever moves pan positions during mix.
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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
Hi David,
I haven't made any simplistic assumptions at all. If you pan across the soundstage rather than pick a static pan position, then yes, different pan laws will have an effect on a mono fold-down. The important point is that it will have a corresponding effect on the stereo mix too - with the perceived level rising or dipping in the middle, the amount will depend on the pan law and the monitoring environment. Cheers, Pete |
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Re: Pan Depth/Law questions
no. it's based on a totally reasonable assumption that if you move the pan position "during a mix" you can, and likely will, also move the fader.
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