MIDI Controller Data does not follow note Edit HELP Please!

[Crush]

Can anyone please tell me how to move my controller data on a MIDI track along with my notes? I am trying to do something as simple as moving a section of a MIDI Piano track but the sustain control wont move with the notes. PLEASE HELP!

[cneal92]

Edit in "Region" track view, or reveal the controller lanes (multiple if needed) and make sure they are a part of your edit selection.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by cneal92

Edit in "Region" track view, or reveal the controller lanes (multiple if needed) and make sure they are a part of your edit selection.

Hey Thank you for replying. I do see the sustain controller lane and it is selected when I try to move it. Can you be a bit more clear on "Edit in "Region" track view". Thanks again.

[cneal92]

Look up "Track View Selector" in the Pro Tools Reference Guide. Sorry, but if I try to describe it, it will take too long and my not be all that "clear". :)

[Crush]

ok...I looked this up but I don't see how the Track View helps at all. Do you have the ability to check my issue? Other controllers move, sustain does not.

I'm using 8.0.5. I believe this is a bug.

[cneal92]

Regarding the Track View, I mentioned switching to Region view on your MIDI track for editing and you asked how to change that, well, that is how.

MIDI data in general is "locked" together, meaning if you copy a note, the data that is directly related to those notes stays with them. Obvious things like note on/off velocity always travels with the notes, other things like sustain don't. It depends upon how you select the notes/data.

If you use the Selector Tool to select a range of data and copy/paste, all associated controllers should be copied, including sustain. If on the other hand you use the Pencil tool (holding the Control modifier [mac]) and select only a few notes in the range and copy/paste, only the directly related controllers would copy/paste, this would NOT include sustain.

I have 9.0.3 on all my machines at home, so I can't test 8.0.5 for you. It is working as expected for me.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by cneal92

Regarding the Track View, I mentioned switching to Region view on your MIDI track for editing and you asked how to change that, well, that is how.

MIDI data in general is "locked" together, meaning if you copy a note, the data that is directly related to those notes stays with them. Obvious things like note on/off velocity always travels with the notes, other things like sustain don't. It depends upon how you select the notes/data.

If you use the Selector Tool to select a range of data and copy/paste, all associated controllers should be copied, including sustain. If on the other hand you use the Pencil tool (holding the Control modifier [mac]) and select only a few notes in the range and copy/paste, only the directly related controllers would copy/paste, this would NOT include sustain.

I have 9.0.3 on all my machines at home, so I can't test 8.0.5 for you. It is working as expected for me.

Yep I get it. Cut copy and paste work fine....but anyone and I mean anyone that knows anything about music, would know that moving sustain information with piano notes is normal and critical. If this is by design I'm scared of my investment. Otherwise, it is a bug. Thank you very much for your time to confirm my worst fears about this ...I was truly hoping I was missing something.

[cneal92]

As I said, PT gives you multiple ways to move the data, including or not including the Sustain. I do know a thing or two about music and composing in a DAW (been doing it since 1992), and there ARE times when you would want to move MIDI data (like notes) without the associated Sustain information.

I don't understand what you are saying is a "bug". Maybe some screen shots would help. As I said it works the way I would expect, and as I mentioned in previous posts.

As a composer, I do still prefer to compose in Digital Performer. I think PT has some progress to make on the MIDI and certainly the VI/RTAS efficiency front before most composers would say that PT is up-to-snuff with Logic or DP for composition. That being said, everyone is and works different and this is only my opinion.

[Crush]

I'm sorry I hope I didn't offend you. It was not my goal...the MIDI editor is frustrating. I absolutely love my PTs and have long been hoping the MIDI editing would be more mature than it is for composing. Tell me a bit, if you have a minute, about your work. You can email me if you would like at [email protected]

BTW not trying to one up you. I started in MIDI and sequencing in 82' and was a Product Specialist for almost ten years with Yamaha Digital Musical Instrumental Division. I have used at one time or another nearly every major sequencing program and they all allow you to move a group of notes with the controller data or move them individually. I suppose it's just a matter of getting use to it.

Anyway, thank you again very much for helping me out. I really do appreciate your time.

Kevin Stratton

[cneal92]

No offense taken. I certainly didn't mean to sound any other way than helpful. So I'm sorry if it didn't come out that way.

For the past 7 years I have been teaching at SPC in the Sound Technology dept. teaching audio engineering and the Pro Tools certification stuff. Prior to that I ran my company Elephant Media Productions (www.elephantmedia.com) '92-04. I produced/eng/rec music for artists, audio/music production for commercials and corporate stuff, and TV & film audio-post and scoring work. I still do a bit of freelance work through EMP.

I won't try and one-up you, b/c I can't. I started programming drum machines for my song writing around '83-84. I think my first sequencer was on the Ensoniq ESQ-1 :) when that first came out (mid-80s?). I have been doing it professionally since 1992, though. I forget the name of the first MIDI sequencer I used on the Mac, but I think I bought Studio Vision around 1990, Pro Tools '93, DP '95ish, and Logic around v8 (but never have used it much).

So are you not able to move the sustain with the selected notes no matter how you select it? Or it just doesn't move when you select the MIDI data the way you want to be working/selecting the MIDI data? I would suggest getting used to using the Pencil Tool in the MIDI Editor, it is kind of the Smart Tool for MIDI. The modifiers expand its abilities, for instance holding Opt gives you the selection that will select everything (incl. Sustain), and holding Ctrl selects only what you drag over.