DV Toolkit/Music Production Toolkit upgrade price question

[EricWillhelm]

I have since found the answer to this question, but I can't find the dang ol' DELETE THREAD button, so here it is anyway, with the answer for anyone who also thought as I did, at the bottom...

So I just saw the pricing scheme for upgrades from previous versions of the toolkits to the new ones...

• Music Production Toolkit to Music Production Toolkit 2 Upgrade: $49.95
• Music Production Toolkit to Complete Production Toolkit** Upgrade: $1,595
• DV Toolkit to New DV Toolkit 2 Upgrade: $295
• Original DV Toolkit 2 to New DV Toolkit 2 Upgrade: $49.95
• DV Toolkit to Complete Production Toolkit Upgrade**: $995
• Original DV Toolkit 2 to Complete Production Toolkit** Upgrade: $695

...now, if I'm a current owner of DV Toolkit 2 who wants to get the Complete Production Toolkit, would it not make more sense to get the New DV Toolkit 2 upgrade for $49.95, and then just buy the Music Production Toolkit separately for it's regular price of $395? (or is it $495? I've seen both) That comes to around either $450 or $550, whereas the 'Original DV Toolkit 2 to Complete Production Toolkit Upgrade' is $695.

Or am I missing something?

ANSWER: Aha, so I'm just now noticing that surround mixing and 128 tracks are only available in the Complete toolkit, and NOT in the new DV Toolkit. So THAT'S where your extra money is going!

[waterbedman]

what is the NEW DV Toolkit 2 ???

[Alan Brownstein]

Yeah, I'm a bit confused. I currently own DV Toolkit 2. Is there going to be a $49.95 upgrade necessary to use it with PT8?

[EricWillhelm]

That's what I first thought, too. DV Toolkit 2 was necessary to run with v7.1 and higher (and a $395 upgrade at that, if memory serves). But then the DVTK2 to NEW DVTK2 upgrade doesn't have the "requires PT8 to run" asterisks by it. So who the heck knows! I'll be curious to see what the difference is!

[Alan Brownstein]

It isn't clear, but sounds from the pricing scheme as though current owners of DV Toolkit 2 will have to pay $49.95 to upgrade it for use with PT8, which will bump you to 64 tracks and also give you the X-Form plug-in, which apparently now ships with DVTK2. It also appears that this "new" upgraded version of DV Toolkit 2 will work with earlier versions such as PT 7.1 through 7.4 (hence no asterisk), albeit in this case will only give 48 tracks. Hopefully Digi will clarify.

In any case, it kinda makes you wonder why they don't just call it DV Toolkit 3. :)

[mixaudio]

So, no upgrade path for us who own MORE THAN ONE toolkit currently???

Not fair. Big disappointment.

My best bet at getting CPTK would be DV Toolkit 2 to CPTK for $695… you've gotta be kidding!!

That's pricey for the few extra features. I might be missing something, but this is just not exciting. I was expecting a reasonably priced upgrade path for those who own both toolkits or who have purchased separately several of the included software parts (I've heard of users who got Eleven or X-Form, besides owning both toolkits).

Neyrinck's Mix 51 will add surround capabilities to LE for just $189. Maybe CPTK will offer better integration of surround mixing in ProTools, but still, $695 could buy other ways to do it, considering that surround mixing is probably the most significant and exciting upgrade feature from DV Toolkit 2 to CPTK.

I've been a loyal Digidesign customer/ProTools user for a little more than 10 years, and this feels like a dis-respectful token of appreciation for customers who've spent a good deal of money on "add-ons" to "un-lock" features in LE. Features that most pro-level competitors offer without forcing you to purchase separate toolkits.

On top of that, an upgrade at this price, and still no ADC engine or any features to deal with plug-in delay??? Many of us deal with plug-in delay by nudging the audio earlier by the amount in samples it would be delayed. Why not give at least this capability in an automated way, so we don't have to shift our audio manually??? This would actually solve a lot, be simpler and less CPU consuming than delaying everything else like ADC does in HD.

Also, with the ability to mix 128 tracks, a lot more plug-in instantiation and CPU demand will happen… yet, CPTK won't offer any track freeze function???

With these upgrade path prices, ADC and track freeze should be included too.

Ohhhh, I'm starting to get it… by the time we've all upgraded to Complete Production Toolkit, they're gonna release CPTK 2… which will add ADC and track freeze to LE… right?

Rodolfo F.

[peppertree]

The Digistore has the best available information on the toolkits themselves...better than the digi website or this forum has. Digitechsuppt can't understand your simple question, which is:

"If we own BOTH the MPTK and the DVTK already, is there a special price for upgrading to the Complete Extortion Toolkit?"

And the answer is almost certainly no, you will have to pay the $695 upgrade from the DV Toolkit.

Unless you call up Digi and try to tug on their heartstrings...

[AvidCS]

Hi folks,

Let me clarify that we understand the question, we just don't have an answer for you at this time.

Truth be told this one issue slipped through the cracks during PT 8 preparation. I think it's fair to offer this upgrade to customers who are currently registered for both products.

I'll update this post with finalized info on how we will manage this in the next few days.

My apologies for not having this sorted sooner.

Bob Langlie
VP of Customer Support
Digidesign

[DigiTechSupt]

Originally Posted by peppertree

The Digistore has the best available information on the toolkits themselves...better than the digi website or this forum has. Digitechsuppt can't understand your simple question, which is:

"If we own BOTH the MPTK and the DVTK already, is there a special price for upgrading to the Complete Extortion Toolkit?"

From the link I pointed to previously:

In addition to the upgrades listed there, a special offer for registered owners of both Music Production Toolkit and DV Toolkit 2 to upgrade to the Complete Production Toolkit will be available. If you are the original registered owner of both toolkits, please contact Digidesign Customer Service Administration using the Support Request Form. Please include your name, address, and the iLok.com user account which has your current Music Production Toolkit and DV Toolkit 2 authorizations.


I've let Bob know that we've covered this already.

And, yes, I do understand. Apparently some people can't be bothered to read the information I point them to.

[DigiTechSupt]

I wanted to clarify that a bit - you need to send that info using the support request form, however we do not have specific pricing and upgrade information available yet, which is what Bob was saying. We'll be sending that info out to customers who have provided the necessary information (using the support request link) as soon as we have the details nailed down.