Question about the plug ins included with the 8 upgrade

[KamaSutra77]

1-Band EQ III
4-Band EQ III
7-Band EQ III
AIR Chorus
AIR Distortion
AIR Dynamic Delay
AIR Enhancer
AIR Ensemble
AIR Filter Gate
AIR Flanger
AIR Frequency Shifter
AIR FuzzWah
AIR KillEQ
AIR Lo-Fi
AIR MultiChorus
AIR Multi-Delay
AIR Nonlinear Reverb
AIR Phaser
AIR Reverb
AIR Spring Reverb
AIR StereoWidth
AIR Talkbox
AIR Vintage Filter
BF76 Compressor
BF Essential Clip Remover
BF Essential Correlation Meter
BF Essential Meter Bridge
BF Essential Noise Meter
Celemony Melodyne Essential
Chorus
Click
Compressor/Limiter
D-Verb
DC Offset Removal
De-Esser

Delay
DigiReWire
Dither
Duplicate
Eleven Free
Expander/Gate
Extra Long Delay II
Flanger
Gain
Invert
Lo-Fi
Long Delay II
Maxim
Medium Delay II
Multi-Tap Delay
Normalize
Ping-Pong Delay
Pitch
Pitch Shift
POWr Dither
Recti-Fi
Reverse
SansAmp
Sci-Fi
Signal Generator
Short Delay II
Slap Delay II
Time Compression Expansion
Time Shift
TL AutoPan
TL InTune
TL MasterMeter
TL Metro
Trim
Vari-Fi

http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?...0&itemid=35972

Do all of these come with the software download upgrade?

How do these AIR plugs stack up, anyone? (is the reverb usable?)

I'm just wondering if the bundle included with a hardware purchase is different from the software only upgrade to 8.

[Skyflash]

Yes all of those listed come with the upgrade. You also get Melodyne and BFD lite
as well,plus a bunch of loops which I never use. The air plugs are good, though I
have yet to really use them in a serious mix yet. Dunno how the reverb stands up
but it's nice to have something other than just Dverb out of the box.

[StavrosSound]

+1 to what Skylfash said, you get all those plugs. Finally a sweeter deal from Digi, if you ask me Would still like to have been given Tel Ray for free though, I like dabbling with it.

I've successfully used some of the AIR plugs in film mixes, mainly used Talkbox and Lo-Fi for futzes, and was very happy with them; actually, I love AIR Lo-Fi... much more control than the simpler D-Fi cousin. AIR Stereo Width was okay, but I still prefer the phase correlation panning corrections in Flux Stereo Tool any day of the week (which is a freeware plug by the way). Was not impressed by the AIR Reverb; was not much better than RVerb to my ears, but not as bad as IR-L or Digusting-Verb. Altiverb is still my front-runner, followed by TLSpace (the poor-mans Altiverb, if you have DVTK2). Their lushness and naturalness goes unmatched; all over verbs sound slappy, metallic, or combed.

[KamaSutra77]

Thanks for the confirmation and comments guys. Looks like a good upgrade. I'm sort of hedging waiting for the cs updates to iron out any bugs and a hopeful Macpro upgrade to expand my horizons.