Replacement For Avid Pre's . . ?

[priorytools]

Originally Posted by LDS

But what are you honestly suggesting here? That somehow his outboard gear is in a totally different room? That he never adjusts compression thresholds or attack times or EQ curves for anything? That pushing a bypass button on a piece of hardware equipment, that presumably must already be hardwired in the chain, is somehow 'challenging'?

For heaven's sake, this thread is a stone's throw away from someone declaring they can't drive a specific model of car purely because the headlights don't turn on automatically when it gets dark...

I am not making an unfair assessment here. This thread sets the bar VERY low. If the lack of a DAW switchable insert loop makes a session a "bloody palaver", then I would hate to imagine how quickly this guy would crumple if he was ever at the helm of an SSL console. The gripe is so insanely rudimentary in the grand scheme of audio engineering, that I find it impossible to not consider it an indictment on the OP. If he can't handle it, there are plenty of skilled engineers out there who can.

There is no bypass on an 1176 nor on many other outboard units.
This is all a tad silly.
Having an insert point on a mic input stage has been a standard feature on consoles for many years.


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[smurfyou]

Originally Posted by LDS

But what are you honestly suggesting here? That somehow his outboard gear is in a totally different room? That he never adjusts compression thresholds or attack times or EQ curves for anything? That pushing a bypass button on a piece of hardware equipment, that presumably must already be hardwired in the chain, is somehow 'challenging'?

For heaven's sake, this thread is a stone's throw away from someone declaring they can't drive a specific model of car purely because the headlights don't turn on automatically when it gets dark...

I am not making an unfair assessment here. This thread sets the bar VERY low. If the lack of a DAW switchable insert loop makes a session a "bloody palaver", then I would hate to imagine how quickly this guy would crumple if he was ever at the helm of an SSL console. The gripe is so insanely rudimentary in the grand scheme of audio engineering, that I find it impossible to not consider it an indictment on the OP. If he can't handle it, there are plenty of skilled engineers out there who can.

Well I was suggesting if you have a routine involving a centrally located PRE then of course you'd want a drop-in replacement if possible. I don't have one so doesn't affect me; there's a lot worse crap than this posted on here every day so I don't get the fuss. OP seems annoyed by Avid, we've all been there.

[LDS]

Originally Posted by priorytools

There is no bypass on an 1176 nor on many other outboard units.
This is all a tad silly.
Having an insert point on a mic input stage has been a standard feature on consoles for many years.


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But the overwhelming majority of large format desks don't have switchable inserts on the mic preamps at all. That even includes newer SSLs like the Duality. The majority bring the signal path out to points on the patch bay... which require manual patching.

As the sole representative here who in the whole 57 year history of the 1176 compressor hasn't figured out how to use one without a manufacturer providing a physical bypass button, I assume you will also be picketing SSL about how mistreated you are...

[priorytools]

Originally Posted by smurfyou

Well I was suggesting if you have a routine involving a centrally located PRE then of course you'd want a drop-in replacement if possible. I don't have one so doesn't affect me; there's a lot worse crap than this posted on here every day so I don't get the fuss. OP seems annoyed by Avid, we've all been there.

+1


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[priorytools]

Originally Posted by LDS

But the overwhelming majority of large format desks don't have switchable inserts on the mic preamps at all. That even includes newer SSLs like the Duality. The majority bring the signal path out to points on the patch bay... which require manual patching.

As the sole representative here who in the whole 57 year history of the 1176 compressor hasn't figured out how to use one without a manufacturer providing a physical bypass button, I assume you will also be picketing SSL about how mistreated you are...

Good bye.
Bon chance.


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[priorytools]

Originally Posted by LDS

But what are you honestly suggesting here? That somehow his outboard gear is in a totally different room? That he never adjusts compression thresholds or attack times or EQ curves for anything? That pushing a bypass button on a piece of hardware equipment, that presumably must already be hardwired in the chain, is somehow 'challenging'?

For heaven's sake, this thread is a stone's throw away from someone declaring they can't drive a specific model of car purely because the headlights don't turn on automatically when it gets dark...

I am not making an unfair assessment here. This thread sets the bar VERY low. If the lack of a DAW switchable insert loop makes a session a "bloody palaver", then I would hate to imagine how quickly this guy would crumple if he was ever at the helm of an SSL console. The gripe is so insanely rudimentary in the grand scheme of audio engineering, that I find it impossible to not consider it an indictment on the OP. If he can't handle it, there are plenty of skilled engineers out there who can.

FYI, Latter Day Saint,
I have been “at the helm“ of many large format consoles over the years, working with one of the biggest bands on this planet.
Inserting dynamics has never been a problem.
The bar that is being lowered here, is that of functionality on Avid’s gear.
Below is a line. A line that I am drawing under this subject.
Thank you. Good night.
______________________


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[JFreak]

Originally Posted by priorytools

Thank you. Good night.

Thank you. Come again

[priorytools]

Originally Posted by devinemke

That page from the manual refers to the controlling the MTRX Studio (not the MTRX II) from within Pro Tools using the legacy PRE control protocol. With DADman and EUCON you can control the mic pres with much more precision: .1 dB steps (rather than ~3 dB steps) over the Ethernet bus (rather than MIDI).

Regarding hardware inserts: again you can use DADman to set up sends/returns to/from your HDX array out to analog or digital i/o (depending on your cards) and then configure those on the Insert page of the Pro Tools i/o window.

Hi Devin. .
For completion, I checked the MTRX II docs.
No Insert (or hi pass) on the Mic Pre's & also FYI still using MIDI Mic Pre format for control not Eucon.
Meanwhile, let's get on with making some music eh . . I'm gonna get spares for our Avid PRE's & repair . .
Straight on .
Cheers . .

[devinemke]

Originally Posted by priorytools

...& also FYI still using MIDI Mic Pre format for control not Eucon.

Just to be clear: in DADman you have the option of either using the legacy PRE protocol (under MIDI settings) or EuCon (if you have a capable controller). See attached pix.

[priorytools]

Ah hah. !
Well that’s interesting Devin.

This is all beginning to fall into place …
The demise of Digidesign.
The transition from midi to Eucon.
The replacement of old Avid kit with new.
The focus on production houses / suites and “semi pro” & home set ups.
The lack of focus on pro / commercial studios.

Avid changing hands.

And where do we end up ?
Here.
It’s a shame. It’s annoying.
The PRE has & still does serve extremely well for instant total recall. In conjunction with the Snapshot plugin for all the outboard,(YES THE INSERTED DYNAMICS & EQ !!!), life has been sweet.
I know the PRE isn’t the most characteristic of mic amps, but it’s clean. And that’s off set with vintage mics & outboard.
Plus, I do have some gorgeous vintage mic amps that I used with their established dynamics and eq chains for their areas of excellence.

Uch. Guess I’m just getting old.


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