2018.5?

[Emi]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

Did you run ProTools with 10.13.4? Cuz that was certainly NOT solid.

I did from first day when 10.13.4 was out and Pro tools was as solid as on previous MacOS and was even faster at loading up.

What I notice is what makes pt unstable is with some plugins. When I demoed some waves plugins like the H reverb the stability goes wild, so out they go. Anyway I use hardware reverbs (still have to hear a plug-in reverb that equals hardware)

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by Emi

I did from first day when 10.13.4 was out and Pro tools was as solid as on previous MacOS and was even faster at loading up.

What I notice is what makes pt unstable is with some plugins. When I demoed some waves plugins like the H reverb the stability goes wild, so out they go. Anyway I use hardware reverbs (still have to hear a plug-in reverb that equals hardware)

You do know that inside “hardware” reverbs are just one or two chips running software, right?

[Emi]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

You do know that inside “hardware” reverbs are just one or two chips running software, right?

I know, but still yet to listen a better plugin reverbs as my tc4000 and lexicon pcm 91, and they go cheap on the cpu also 😜

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by Emi

I know, but still yet to listen a better plugin reverbs as my tc4000 and lexicon pcm 91

Ugh. Well each to their own I guess.

[Emi]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

ugh. Well each to their own i guess.

👍

[abomeerza]

Soon

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by Emi

I know, but still yet to listen a better plugin reverbs as my tc4000 and lexicon pcm 91, and they go cheap on the cpu also 😜

The Lex 91 was designed by Michael Carnes who has quite truly improved upon this sound with his Exponential Audio offerings. And the TC S6000 was a marked improvement over the 4000, and the 6000 is now available from Relab as the VSR24. I've had the TC 6000, Lex 960, and many other hardware verbs but have sold them all (with the exception of Eventide hardware which is more for effects, not so much reverb) because the plugin options simply sound as good as these multiple-thousand-dollar boxes.

After a serious test drive of those plugins I'd be curious to know what it is about the TC4000 and PCM91 that still sound better to your ears.

And this isn't even approaching some of the other options less related to TC and Lex which are excellent.

[Emi]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

The Lex 91 was designed by Michael Carnes who has quite truly improved upon this sound with his Exponential Audio offerings. And the TC S6000 was a marked improvement over the 4000, and the 6000 is now available from Relab as the VSR24. I've had the TC 6000, Lex 960, and many other hardware verbs but have sold them all (with the exception of Eventide hardware which is more for effects, not so much reverb) because the plugin options simply sound as good as these multiple-thousand-dollar boxes.

After a serious test drive of those plugins I'd be curious to know what it is about the TC4000 and PCM91 that still sound better to your ears.

And this isn't even approaching some of the other options less related to TC and Lex which are excellent.

Hey, gotta check the Exponential Audio. From what I know the 4000 is a single engine from S6000 wich I had worked with quite a long time. And as far as the pcm 91, I think lexicon makes the plugin version wich I think it's great but the hardware had a little more depth (maybe because of the converters, wich in those "vintage" old units, the ad/da was part of the sound),

On the other hand, spending the buck on reverbs with these in rack is a no for me right now, and as for recall-able, I simply print them. And on other reason for me is they don't run on CPU power as reverbs plugins consume the most.

Hey, but that's me, I work great and fast like that and I like it. Pro tools runs smooth and clients are happy.

[Eric Lambert]

The Lex plugin is pulled from the PCM96, which is *similar* to the PCM91 but not the same. I'd say the Lexicon plugin and PCM91 are also similar in quality with, perhaps, a slight edge going to the PCM91 for its dimensional depth, as you mentioned, and also its realism. The plugin can be a little cold and sterile.

But when Michael got out from under the uncreative constrictions of Harman and was able to rethink reverb, he made substantial improvements and released brand new products. And not only do they sound great, they're also very CPU-friendly, because he not only understands acoustics but also coding. Very well. There's efficiency to the point that I never think about the hit they're giving my computer. It's just never a concern and I have 4 of them in my template. What taxes the CPU the most are effect-heavy VI's like u-he synths and Output libraries where a lot of mod/delay/pitch-shifting are being applied in realtime.

Regarding the 4000 vs the 6000 -- you're right and they can run the same algorithms in stereo. And with the Relab plugin you can get a convincing 4000/6000. Some have done blind tests and can't tell them apart. To my ears, the software sounds like the hardware (which is actually software).

[64GTOBOY]

+1- Really like the Exponential audio reverbs.