Avid YOU Are Almost Out Of Time

[DMB13KOS]

Originally Posted by WKG

Actually I am regretting I ever ventured into Pro Tools in the first place. I have never seen a company function the way Avid does and it's really pretty disgusting.

Originally Posted by tengai

This is true; however, when you have serious stability problems then there are serious problems with the effort going into validating and test code. I write code for a living as well and I'm seeing the signs where the quality of Protools is starting to get away from Avid. IMO they are trying to do too much and the customer base is starting to suffer for it.

Well, I agree - and have already happily switched to Cubase 8.5 Pro!

I seriously doubt that I will ever buy from Avid again.

[WKG]

I just realized, I've seen Avid's pattern of behavior before...

"If they were not meant to be shorn He would not have made them to be sheep..." Calvera, The Magnificent Seven

[longname]

AVID's new SEO needs to be fired. He just drawn AVID's customers away. I was about to purchase an HD system 2 weeks ago, but I'm lucky that I made a right decision not to purchase HD system. Enough spending money for AVID to get nothing.

[hue]

Originally Posted by tengai

This is true; however, when you have serious stability problems then there are serious problems with the effort going into validating and test code. I write code for a living as well and I'm seeing the signs where the quality of Protools is starting to get away from Avid. IMO they are trying to do too much and the customer base is starting to suffer for it. People are trying to make a living with this product.

This may be a little off topic but when I see VS2005 x64 runtime libraries being installed with PT12 it only makes me stop and think why a 10 year old build environment is still being used? VS2005 was Microsoft first attempt at 64bit; and while it is still supported with current OSs it is far behind in optimization and the support of the latest CPU features. One can only wonder what management is thinking at Avid.

YES! Thank you. Unfortunately, I've already paid for the upgrade against my own better judgement. What was I thinking? I thought they had finally worked out the simple bugs. NO. Still getting AAE 6117 error. This late in the game? WHY?!?!

[skepcat]

This won't be a popular post, I'm sure. I've been reading these posts a lot since the whole CPTK issue. I'm going to be kind of blunt here.

Do any of us really need any of this? Does anyone here who is or has been working steadily with these tools really need to continue to grind through all of this?

I can't begin to state my point in a way that would really resonate or say what I really mean by this, but let me try with what I attempted tonight, before I logged on to read these most recent posts about Pro Tools, because it really crystallized what I've been contemplating the last 3 or 4 years:

Tonight I upgraded my production laptop, *just because I could and it was free*, to Windows 10. I've been saying for years that like so many things in the technical world (and certainly in general in life), at some point, some things are just....DONE. Baked. Perfect. Or as perfect as they need to be, to the point where spending one more brain cell on wondering whether something can be MORE perfect, or one more minute or evening "upgrading" definitely has diminishing, if not downright detrimental returns.

Windows 7 was one of those things for me. Thousands of sessions, projects, even non work/music related tasks...never a crash, issue, hang up...Windows 7 just looks nice, is fast/efficient even on crappy 7 year old computers in my studio. It just seems to me that operating systems, unless there is some massive, world changing dynamic or event, were *DONE* around 2008. When Windows 8 came out, it was obvious that nobody liked it, it did nothing really other than re-arrange stuff for the sake of it, focused on social media BS, and just got in the way. Same with recent updates to the Mac OS.

I spent exactly 30 minutes with this hideous, pointless upgrade to Windows and immediately rolled back. It's not MS fault, in fact it's to their credit that...I just don't NEED to relearn something that was damn near perfect 7 years ago.

Same with Pro Tools. Nothing has really been done, of any *real* significance, in the last 7 years or so. 64 bit was a very welcome move, but so what...almost every other DAW, including free or under $300 DAWs, were 64 bit years ago.

In spite of that sentiment, I may be in the minority in saying that 12.3 really has been a nice, and worthwhile time investment...even as I stare at a session in 10.7 because that's where I've been for a long time, all of my plugins and sounds work in it, and even on a 5 year old i5 with 8 gigs of ram, a Robert Pollard/Guided By Voices session with 18 or so audio tracks and a couple of Mellotron/keyboard parts are utilizing around 17% of what this "old" machine can muster. Ya know what I mean?

I know you guys in big Post houses or places that simply must keep up with every upgrade are a different story, but that's kind of my point. You KNOW that Avid, Gibson/Sonar, Cubase/Steinburg, et al, are fully aware that just about everything they have developed and pushed into the market over the last 4-5 years are just...refinements, if not downright...marketing fluff? It's not their fault, in fact it's because of these companies and others, because of their relentless innovation and creativity, have given us the equivalent of a Jaguar or BMW for the price of a couple of the tires for said Jaguar?

I could go on, and honestly this is a post I've been thinking about for years and just don't have the energy to really lay it all out...but in a nutshell, what the hell are we doing with all of this? We have everything we need to make great music and great recordings. Plugins, for the most part, were indistinguishable from hardware years, and in same cases, DECADES ago.

Don't get me wrong...keep innovating, offering new features, useful things that make workflows easier, making music, post or whatever more fun and productive. But it just seems to me that for the most part, digital recording/production was 95% DONE years ago, much like the Stratocaster, Les Paul, Hammond Organ, pianos, drum sets, microphones, pre amps, and good tacos were.

Do good work. Save your money, and brain cells. If there's something you REALLY, REALLY need, you'll know it (that's me telling myself that).

Flame on.

[Drew Mazurek]

You've just described and justified why Avid is doing Avid Everywhere and the new licensing/subscriptions.

For a big 90's style tech corporation, the steady income might be the only way they survive.

[smfelton]

I upgraded an old PT7 MP licence to PT12, and I couldn't be happier with that and my Apollo, I invested so much in HD and I am left with a PT 11HD licence which I refuse to upgrade as it is not a economically justifiable upgrade, PT 12.3 gives me everything I need, and I just had to to say enough is enough. I am not allowed to sell it, so it will just sit there as a reminder to me.......

[Kam Lion]

I refuse to upgrade from PT 11 HD to PT 12
The whole thing is a rip-off. Period!
I never used Avid's support plan. Since Avid has been unable to provide me with a stable PT HD 11 I refuse to give away $600.00 for a worthless upgrade.
I already made up my mind.

[grayter1]

If they get Local Track Freeze locked down in the next update, I could conceivably stay on 12. I have 99% of the features that I want.

tg

[Drew Mazurek]

Originally Posted by grayter1

If they get Local Track Freeze locked down in the next update, I could conceivably stay on 12. I have 99% of the features that I want.

tg

It was working well when they showed it at AES. The product specialist put it through its paces and there were no issues. So, I'd say there's a good shot.