Beat Detective and Elastic Audio Help!

[Johnrg]

Guys,
I have seven drum tracks that I am trying to tighten up.
I have spent the last five hours trying to use Beat Dective and Elastic Audio but I just can't get it to happen.
Beat detective gives me random pops and clicks and no matter what I do or try, I have tried collection mode but it seems no better. I can get it 95% right but there is always a problem somewhere on the track that I can't ignore.
Elastic audio has no clicks and pops but to my ears really washy and phasey, especially when there's alot of cymbal work.
Can anyone give me some pointers on how they use these time correction tools on multitrack drums?
I know some of you guys use these alot - where am I going wrong?
Help.
JG

[danander11]

Originally Posted by Johnrg

Guys,
I have seven drum tracks that I am trying to tighten up.
I have spent the last five hours trying to use Beat Dective and Elastic Audio but I just can't get it to happen.
Beat detective gives me random pops and clicks and no matter what I do or try, I have tried collection mode but it seems no better. I can get it 95% right but there is always a problem somewhere on the track that I can't ignore.
Elastic audio has no clicks and pops but to my ears really washy and phasey, especially when there's alot of cymbal work.
Can anyone give me some pointers on how they use these time correction tools on multitrack drums?
I know some of you guys use these alot - where am I going wrong?
Help.
JG

OK, I assume that you are grouping the drum tracks together BEFORE doing any EA editing to them..

I now that a lot of guys here swear by Beat Detective, but other than trying it out to see how it functioned, I have never used it.. I just use EA. Place a warp marker at the begining and end of whichever track you want to slave the others to, then start moving transients. You can manipulate things as you wish and as long as you recorded OK you should be able to move things around (resonably) without phasing issues..

Short of that, Kenny Gioia has a good DVD that shows how to go about multi-track editing using Beat Detective and EA.

[twix]

First off, EA is worthless with drum editing, unless it's a small or quick fill. When using Beat Detective try just doing 8-32 bars at a time. Make sure the the region your going to edit is exacting on the beat of the bars, I have never used collection mode. After it analysis's the section, scroll though and just double check the markers are lined and listed correctly and add or delete markers as need be. Use a 3-5 ms pre-edit buffer. Try using 75-100% conform strength (I personally use 87%). Use 1-2 ms crossfade when doing fill & crossfades. You should go though all the edits zoomed in and make sure the regions & crossfades are good and no sections got cut off, which might be the clicking your hearing. If the drummer is really bad, it's probably best to cut & paste together parts, edit and then copy and paste as much as you can. Hope this helps.

[danander11]

Originally Posted by twix

First off, EA is worthless with drum editing, unless it's a small or quick fill. (snip)

Interesting.... I've only been at this for about a year or so with any regularity.. but I've never seem to have had many issues with EA at all.. It's one of the things I like best about PT. And being a drummer I've had occasion to do some editing on bad parts, etc...

Why is it that you aren't so fond of EA for drums? (serious question here). I haven't used Beat Detective much but maybe I should spend a bit more time with it?

Thanks!

[twix]

I like EA, but because of the phasing issues with multiple tracks, it's not very functional for certain things, like drum editing. Quick parts, mono sources or needing to extend notes, it works pretty well. Once in awhile I will edit tiny bass parts with it too.

[danander11]

Originally Posted by twix

I like EA, but because of the phasing issues with multiple tracks, it's not very functional for certain things, like drum editing. Quick parts, mono sources or needing to extend notes, it works pretty well. Once in awhile I will edit tiny bass parts with it too.

Cool. Thanks for the answer. I haven't noticed the phasing, but I've run across similar comments before.. Guess I need to experiment a bit more, and then spend more time learning BD.