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Re: Testing record with three DAW. Cubase, Sam & PT
Stop using logical arguments. Clearly this thread is being perpetuated by those who can even "hear the difference" between files that null perfectly.
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Re: Testing record with three DAW. Cubase, Sam & PT
It's a useless discussion to have on an internet forum. Like any decision in audio, do your own tests, follow your own ears, and take everything anyone says with a grain of salt. I could post a test showing files that don't null, only to surely be accused of altering the files. Not worth anyone's time.
It's always frustrating to hear no difference while people insist that there is one. It's always frustrating to hear a difference while people insist that there isn't one. Last edited by ryanstewartguitar; 10-13-2015 at 10:08 AM. |
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Re: Testing record with three DAW. Cubase, Sam & PT
I started to become skeptical sbout posts on this thread when it was suggested that different DAW's might produces files that were indistinguishable using measurement tools, and yet you'd be able to hear a difference because of inherent ways that each DAW exphasises frequencies differently.
If they emphasise certain frequencies differently, sufficiently that you can hear it, then I find it impossible to believe that, with the right measurement tools, you would not also be able to measure those differences.
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Re: Testing record with three DAW. Cubase, Sam & PT
+1 Any difference between two files is absolutely measurable and a null test is an objective way of debunking bogus theories which are everywhere in digital audio.
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Re: Testing record with three DAW. Cubase, Sam & PT
I suspect that most difference people perceive between DAWs are attributed to how their GUI works. Controls, both virtual and physical, have a major effect on the choices made, and could tend to cause things to sound different in different DAWs. For example, Sony Vegas had a default pan mode with a single slider that moved one side of the channel, blending it to the the other. No pan law. So if you had a stereo track, hard panning simply summed it to mono, making it a lot louder, and causing any stereo effects to sound weird.
Pro Tools has a similar scheme, but more flexible with individual pan knobs for each side of the channel, and a pan law in effect. Logic, at least the last time I checked, had a simple balance style pan control. On a stereo track, moving the knob to the left simply reduced the right side level (and vice versa). This would tend to leave you with very different sounding mixes if you had stereo tracks in your project! |
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Re: Testing record with three DAW. Cubase, Sam & PT
Playback and bounce are the same, no?
For a really reliable summing test you cannot rely on anything that might have been implemented differently, such as panning law. So... Have three mono tracks, send pne to hard left, one to dead center, and one to hard right. Have all faders at unity and bounce it out. Then do the null test and you'll know how much (little) difference there is in summing.
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The suggestion being made in a earlier post wasn't this. There was a suggestion made that somehow there was a difference that was not measurable, that files would null, but that, nevertheless, each DAW had its own 'sound' that was imparted into the audio when playing back. Even playing back the very same file. Your suggestions are a few of many good reasons why different daws might sound different, but they would all be measurable.
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Re: Testing record with three DAW. Cubase, Sam & PT
I think I remember that announcement when SX came out. It's supposed to be the same but I heard different results with version 4 of Cubase and version 3 of Nuendo. I can only assume that I missed some settings and defaults somewhere.
Anyways, I like my Pro Tools. I'm used to it and it does what I tell it to do most of the time.
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