MIDI in 2021 and BEYOND

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by ZEUSS

Protools chokes with most VI's. With one track! CPU overload/Spikes with a 128 buffer! Solution... Use VEP to host the VI's... What!!! Come on now! Buy more software from ANOTHER company to be able to compose in PRO tools....

My systems are up to speck with clean installs and up to date plugins. Doesn't matter. Its PRO tools....

My system is way less powerful than your (see my profile page or the link in my sig file) and I have no problems with most vi's. Then again I run at 256 buffers. Multiple vi's at one time. Of course a lot depends on the vi type - computational types draw a little more power than samplers. And I use a good mix of both. Most of my 'computational' vi's are from Arturia.

[ZEUSS]

Originally Posted by musicman691

My system is way less powerful than your (see my profile page or the link in my sig file) and I have no problems with most vi's. Then again I run at 256 buffers. Multiple vi's at one time. Of course a lot depends on the vi type - computational types draw a little more power than samplers. And I use a good mix of both. Most of my 'computational' vi's are from Arturia.

I hear Ya. Point is, it needs to be updated and modernized to at least as good as Logic, S1 and the others if not better. Its time.They could really draw in a new generation of music creation users but they just don't care. I use the "Dad" daw for music creation.....

[ejsongs]

Originally Posted by ZEUSS

I hear Ya. Point is, it needs to be updated and modernized to at least as good as Logic, S1 and the others if not better. Its time.They could really draw in a new generation of music creation users but they just don't care. I use the "Dad" daw for music creation.....

I find Just the opposite. My hdx rig is WAYYYY more powerful than running s1 on the same machine. There is no way I could do a full production with Vi's, vocals and hardcore mixing with s1. My hdx can handle it and I have dsp headroom to spare. Its not even close being honest. I just recreated the same session with 128 buffer in both at 48k. PT is Killing S1. When I hit play pt does jump tp about 25% but S1 is maxxed out

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by ZEUSS

I hear Ya. Point is, it needs to be updated and modernized to at least as good as Logic, S1 and the others if not better. Its time.They could really draw in a new generation of music creation users but they just don't care. I use the "Dad" daw for music creation.....

What is the 'Dad' daw? Enlighten me if you will. I tried Digital Performer at the time that Avid started pushing subscriptions fearing PT would go that way like Adobe did with Photoshop.


DP was an absolute pain in the arse. No true instrument tracks and the MIDI implementation was a nightmare. Then again Danny Elfman uses (or used to use) DP and he's done well for himself.

[Dave S.]

Originally Posted by ejsongs

I find Just the opposite. My hdx rig is WAYYYY more powerful than running s1 on the same machine. There is no way I could do a full production with Vi's, vocals and hardcore mixing with s1. My hdx can handle it and I have dsp headroom to spare. Its not even close being honest. I just recreated the same session with 128 buffer in both at 48k. PT is Killing S1. When I hit play pt does jump tp about 25% but S1 is maxxed out

I second this notion. I tried out Studio One specifically to test it against ProTools for triggering drum samples in real time on some e-drums. I can record at the lowest buffer settings in ProTools with rarely the hiccup, full detail level within my drum VI. When I tried it in Studio One, it just can’t hang, not even close.

[ejsongs]

To make the comparison somewhat fair…I used all native plugins and no hybrid engine. Hdx card was still handling the mixer though. Again the horse power is even close. Would have been even more exacerbated if I had used dsp plugins as well. And it sounded better too!!!

Ej

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by ejsongs

And it sounded better too!!!

That is a possibility. Floating point math is kind of fuzzy logic (pun intended) as the way you handle the low resolution makes all the difference in the world.

Another possibility is differences in latency compensation. Back in DigiDesign times we (Beta Team) had to really hunt down a bug in latency compensation of PT mixer. It really smeared the sound and was hard to find what caused it. Even today every time when someone mentions latency compensation problems I get the chill.

[Marsdy]

Originally Posted by Dave S.

I second this notion. I tried out Studio One specifically to test it against ProTools for triggering drum samples in real time on some e-drums. I can record at the lowest buffer settings in ProTools with rarely the hiccup, full detail level within my drum VI. When I tried it in Studio One, it just can’t hang, not even close.

A couple of years ago, I ran a test comparing VI CPU usage in Logic with PT.

With the same Kontakt instrument, MIDI data and buffer in both, I kept duplicating tracks in both Logic and PT until the CPU maxed out. Both maxed out at the exact same number of instances which surprised me. I’d assumed Logic would do better.

[ejsongs]

Originally Posted by Marsdy

A couple of years ago, I ran a test comparing VI CPU usage in Logic with PT.

With the same Kontakt instrument, MIDI data and buffer in both, I kept duplicating tracks in both Logic and PT until the CPU maxed out. Both maxed out at the exact same number of instances which surprised me. I’d assumed Logic would do better.

I believe a few releases back, avid changed something where they optimized aax plugins. I do remember reading about it somewhere. I would imagine you might get better results now than when you did your initial test. Also, because I’m using an hdx card as well, some of the mixer responsibilities are being handled by the card instead of the entire load being placed on the cpu.

I was curious as I am starting to do more midi in pt and wanted to see how well it stacked up these days. S1 was maxed out at 100% while pt was at 33% in the end. I used the exact same plugins and midi files in both with same plugin settings and buffer settings. Pt was the clear winner.

[JFreak]

I think you are referring to 2019.5 performance improvements?