recording with plug ins on the track

[nerd513]

can you record with plug ins on the track, and no latency in pro tools TDM and pro tools HD. here is my problem i like to monitor with plug ins on the track but havent been able to without latency in PT le. My current setup is a G5 and an 002 rack. So im thinking of trying to find an old mix plus system for tracking. Will I still have latency when tracking with plug ins?? or will i be a happy camper?? also has anyone recorded with auto tune on the track live without problems? please dont flame on me for wanting to sing with auto tune live thanks. also does any one know of any host based programs where i could use plug ins while recording without latency? thanks for any help

[albee1952]

It depends on the plugins. Many have little to no latency, while others have anywhere from 1 sample to over 8000 samples. Since the only way for Pro Tools(or any DAW) to compensate is by making other tracks LATER, there is no way to record with plugins(if they have latency) without hearing the latency. You are best off not using plugins that have latency(DIGIRACK EQ and BF76 work with none for EQ and compression), Run reverb plugins on AUX tracks. Amp sims........you just have to live with whatever latency they have.

[Keybeeetsss]

U know if u go with a Mix system I think the latest vs of PT that u can use is 6.4 & 10.3.x (can't remember exactly which) & as Albee'sure said, plugs with no latency gives u no issues... I use Auto tune a lot when tracking certain vocalist for pocket reasons & not T-Pain reasons but no latency @all... Verbs, delays & sometimes Amp sims I use quite a bit when tracking on the LE rig...

[maxcarola]

In HD in most cases you have little or no latency (at least no more than ANY digital recorder like Sony 3348). Such a small latency is a problem only in certain cases like cymbals.
there are some plugins that use a large buffer (like limiters with "look ahead" function and some reverbs) but usually TDM plugins are OK.
You'll have latency issues in HD if you use RTAS plugins.

I like to record the plugins sound just as I was used to do with analog consoles. To do that I create Aux tracks of the channels where I put the plug ins and use a bus to send it to the recording track. So all I do with the plugins in the aux gets recorded and I'm able to keep secret my "secret" bass drum or snare eq and compression. ;-D

Also very useful when recording guitars with Eleven.

And you'll have a lighter session when it's mixing time since you will be able to just "disable" the aux channels without loosing the settings used in the record session.

The best

MAx

[nerd513]

why do you people always answer everything but the question??? i know you cant use rtas plugins without latency and I know TDM only goes to pt 6.4. I just want to know if you can record mainly auto tune 4 TDM on a TDM system in real time without latency.

[albee1952]

Why do people that don't like the answer, gripe about it? Seriously, put the plugin on a track and see what happens. If it works fine and you don't perceive latency, then go with it. If it sucks, then don't use it while recording. FWIW, Autotune 3 shows 1 sample of latency on my LE system. Assuming the report is accurate, then I would have no problem using it while recording as 1 sample is only 1/44100th of a second at 44.1K sampling rate.

[Shifted Music]

Originally Posted by nerd513

why do you people always answer everything but the question??? i know you cant use rtas plugins without latency and I know TDM only goes to pt 6.4. I just want to know if you can record mainly auto tune 4 TDM on a TDM system in real time without latency.

you asked several questions. one of which specifically referred to Host based systems. . as well as your question about tdm. I saw answers about tdm and about le (host based)

So how is offering advice about both not answering your question?

Your something else...

[davidskick]

Originally Posted by maxcarola

In HD in most cases you have little or no latency (at least no more than ANY digital recorder like Sony 3348). Such a small latency is a problem only in certain cases like cymbals.
there are some plugins that use a large buffer (like limiters with "look ahead" function and some reverbs) but usually TDM plugins are OK.
You'll have latency issues in HD if you use RTAS plugins.

I like to record the plugins sound just as I was used to do with analog consoles. To do that I create Aux tracks of the channels where I put the plug ins and use a bus to send it to the recording track. So all I do with the plugins in the aux gets recorded and I'm able to keep secret my "secret" bass drum or snare eq and compression. ;-D

Also very useful when recording guitars with Eleven.

And you'll have a lighter session when it's mixing time since you will be able to just "disable" the aux channels without loosing the settings used in the record session.

The best

MAx

I thought you answered exactly what needed to be answered. Actually, your answer helped me tremendously .. thank you Max! THANK YOU!
I actually stumbled into the AUX send trick by just playing around with options... I was just trying to accomplish being able to hear reverb while recording, and that's how I accomplished it, by creating sends to AUX tracks, and send the AUX track output (or send) to the headphones mix... pretty cool stuff!.. I never thought of recording the output of the AUX track itself. That's AWESOME! I'll give it a try!