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I was going to refrain from further posts on this thread (at least until we get all the details from Avid), but you just reminded me of something... I remember the actor Ricardo Montalban discussing the 5 stages of an actors career : - Who is Ricardo Montalban? - Get me Ricardo Montalban! - Get me a Ricardo Montalban type. - Get me a young Ricardo Montalban. - Who is Ricardo Montalban? I can't help but wonder if that may become somewhat analogous for Pro Tools, over time. AVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID! |
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#903
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I see this as similar to why software producers still sell boxed products or why people still buy physical CDs or DVDs - the feeling of ownership. Signing up to unknown future costs, even if one may have paid these anyway, is not something people like. Businesses don't mind so much if it makes commercial sense, because the transaction is impersonal and just have to be justified against alternatives and value to the operation. As a hobbyist, I will regularly spend $199 on the latest plugin whim, which will often then sit in my plugin folder unused. In fact, my whole system often goes through long periods unused, due to other priorities, interests, practice, inspiration, etc. I'm fine with that and would be happy to continue along those lines and could well end up paying for every forseeable Pro Tools upgrade ... but I don't want to commit to that now because I like to control my spending, Mac upgrades, etc. Evidently, Avid is not interested in my business and is now solely in the business of tools for pros. As things stand, I would now benefit from the next major release being a long way off, with PT11 seeing as many OS compatibility updates as possible. |
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Love the five stages of grief and Ricardo Montalban posts, they remind me of one from my former career in safety management, which is borderline appropriate, as it relates to the hierarchy by which you should attempt to control hazards/risks ... ERICPD ...
E = Eliminate (so you're not exposed to it any more) R = Reduce (limit the time you're exposed, or substitute a less risky alternative) I = Isolate (by distancing yourself from it) C = Control (change method of work, or introduce engineering controls) P = PPE (use personal protective equipment, as a temporary last resort) D= Discipline (through clear communication of rules, procedures, best practice) Where are each of us in that regime, I wonder?
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If Avid came to us cap in hand, admitted they were having some problems, needed cash now, and offered a deal like that, I'd sign up! It's the whole smoke and mirrors, disinformation, ambiguity and inept coercive attempt to extract money that has people riled. Avid totally fails to understand the true nature of its user base, and in that way is gradually signing its own death warrant. As Avid's policies become more and more desperate, they begin to show signs of being its death throes. What a sad, sad situation :-(
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#906
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I totally agree with the idea of one unified Pro Tools platform that competes with other DAWS - this alone would encourage new users. I think it would be naive to suggest the majority of HD users would rather pay $599 instead of $199 in order to 'protect their investment'.
I don't however agree that PT should be locked to the hardware as this prohibits new users from even considering Pro Tools as an option. SOS (magazine) recently highlighted 8 highly respected alternatives to Avid's I/O interfaces. Pro Tools may have been more stable in the past, but that was largely down to OS's rather than PT itself. The transition to 64 bit was never going to be smooth… but we are getting there. If there really must be a division between HD & 'Vanilla', how about this for a radical idea : - Charge HD users $199pa for a years support & upgrades. - Charge non HD users $99pa for a years upgrades (but no support). After all, it's the high end HD users who are more likely to benefit from the support. The plans Avid have unveiled are essentially a subscription model - just that you're paying a year upfront as opposed to on a monthly basis. Although it may be prudent to stick your PT asset on another (never synced) ilok, I imagine we're not too far away from a Cloud based authorisation procedure such as Waves' WLC (which works very well btw). |
#907
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Any inside track on when/if Tony plans to comment properly on all of this (beyond what he already shared on PTE)? JFreak implied that they had been banging their heads around a table already. Should we be holding our combined breaths - members here are still debating as if Avid are listening?! |
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I wonder if you could ask a follow up question to your poll for those who think they'll be using PT in five years? Which version of Pro Tools do you think you will be using in five years?
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While we are having this water cooler moment, i was thinking about backward compatibility, from a project studio point of view using PT11 Vanilla.
If you dont jump on the plan, and then down the line you wish to use a pro studio: would the pro studio be able to use your PT files?….normal plug in incompatibility being a given. I mean (puts on cynics hat ) Will it be a case of ..your not on the plan so we cant assist you.Unless of course you are using a pro studio that is PT11 HD and they have also not jumped on the plan. Its just chit -chat but i,m curious. |
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