Control|24 and ProControl with Pro Tools 11?

[Shan]

Originally Posted by deanrichard

An analog keyboard an excellent example of a controller for which drivers are still being written 20+ years later.

The Control 24 is not a computer. A mouse is not a computer, nor is a keyboard.

Exactly. Peripherals are HIDs, aka terminals. They can't be compared to computers.

Shane

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by deanrichard

An analog keyboard an excellent example of a controller for which drivers are still being written 20+ years later.

Only if nothing has changed that would require a unique driver.

If it's unique to 20 years ago and nothing today uses that driver, it's not being re-written today.

Originally Posted by deanrichard

If you don't understand the difference between a controller and a computer, then my point will not make sense to you.

Of course it does. But this is about writing a unique driver for a unit that is no longer for sale.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by wonder6oy

Not counting the Mackie HUI, of course.

The HUI protocol is used in a wide range of units that are still being made today. Removing it would be similar to removing Midi which is old but still relevant.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by Shan

Exactly. Peripherals are HIDs, aka terminals. They can't be compared to computers.

Shane

Or to microphones, mic preamps or compressors.

[DigitalMetal]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Or to microphones, mic preamps or compressors.

Mic's , Pre's and compressors have not become any less relevant over time and neither have these controllers , computers become less relevant when their power is superceeded by newer cheaper faster processing.
Your argument is totally flawed - apples and oranges (excuse the pun).

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by DigitalMetal

Mic's , Pre's and compressors have not become any less relevant over time and neither have these controllers , computers become less relevant when their power is superceeded by newer cheaper faster processing.
Your argument is totally flawed - apples and oranges (excuse the pun).

I'm not suggesting that they have become less relevant. They're just old and require new drivers to continue to work directly with newer software. Something that is NOT required by mics, preamps and compressors. Otherwise, some of the older ones would go away as well.

The interface required for high end analog gear is nothing more than XLR connectors. They've been in use many years ago and they're still used today. Nothing has changed and no update is required. That's why they still work.

If a high end analog device required software to run. Like an EQ that is controlled by a TDM plugin. It would need to be updated to work with Pro Tools 11. If that unit is old an unsupported by the company that makes it, it will become obsolete.

[DigitalMetal]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

I'm not suggesting that they have become less relevant. They're just old and require new drivers to continue to work directly with newer software. Something that is NOT required by mics, preamps and compressors. Otherwise, some of the older ones would go away as well.

The interface required for high end analog gear is nothing more than XLR connectors. They've been in use many years ago and they're still used today. Nothing has changed and no update is required. That's why they still work.

If a high end analog device required software to run. Like an EQ that is controlled by a TDM plugin. It would need to be updated to work with Pro Tools 11. If that unit is old an unsupported by the company that makes it, it will become obsolete.

Thats the whole argument really, the driver is such a tiny component to a much bigger picture that to not make one to allow users to continue to use these perfectly relevent (in todays workflow) controllers its like discontinung the type of fuse used in a piece of outboard gear - totally pointless !
Avid decided to go down the ethernet route and continue to with all of their controllers, driver development for these units should be second nature to them not a huge investment in resources as slated!

[Top Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

They're just old and require new drivers to continue to work directly with newer software. Something that is NOT required by mics, preamps and compressors. Otherwise, some of the older ones would go away as well.

Kenny, you use analog gear as a point in your argument. The spec and standard for analog gear has changed little over the years, and how it has changed still allows for interoperability.

Had the spec for these controllers been standardized 10 years ago rather than evolving, they'd still be possible to use in 25 years. I wholeheartedly support Avid's goal to improve and modularize the code, but there is something that shouldn't be left behind in the process.


Parroted by me & Tapasquawk

[deanrichard]

Some old Telefunken mic preamps use Tuchel connectors. Very hard to find. They won't work with XLR devices without a physical adaptor. But they are worth keeping around.

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

I'm not suggesting that they have become less relevant. They're just old and require new drivers to continue to work directly with newer software. Something that is NOT required by mics, preamps and compressors. Otherwise, some of the older ones would go away as well.

The interface required for high end analog gear is nothing more than XLR connectors. They've been in use many years ago and they're still used today. Nothing has changed and no update is required. That's why they still work.

If a high end analog device required software to run. Like an EQ that is controlled by a TDM plugin. It would need to be updated to work with Pro Tools 11. If that unit is old an unsupported by the company that makes it, it will become obsolete.

[deanrichard]

If there truly was a huge financial cost to adding Control 24 support, it could be justified. But really, for Avid to pay someone to make these changes while working on the internals of the PT software, supporting the Control 24 is not an expensive proposition. It just isn't.

I go back to my original opinion - that killing off support for the Control 24 is a business decision, not a technical or financial one. And I can't condone that.

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

I'm not suggesting that they have become less relevant. They're just old and require new drivers to continue to work directly with newer software. Something that is NOT required by mics, preamps and compressors. Otherwise, some of the older ones would go away as well.

The interface required for high end analog gear is nothing more than XLR connectors. They've been in use many years ago and they're still used today. Nothing has changed and no update is required. That's why they still work.

If a high end analog device required software to run. Like an EQ that is controlled by a TDM plugin. It would need to be updated to work with Pro Tools 11. If that unit is old an unsupported by the company that makes it, it will become obsolete.