How Do You Feel About the PT10 Feature Set for the Price

[Barry Johns]

Seems to me that the features are not quite worth the cost of upgrading. Seems to me that they are overcharging us for their R&D. For the price I'd like to see a much more feature laden release in PT10.

Digi Tech Support is that enough on topic? I mean we are talking about the features of PT10.

[98wildcat]

At this risk of being banned or deleted as it seems is happening on here and facebook...

+1

[Dism]

For native PT10, $300 is pretty reasonable. Solid release, great feature set, snappy and stable. Once you get the hang of Clip Gain, you won't ever want to go back to needing the Gain or Trim plugs again.

$999 is a silly price point when there is already a better deal for $599. If the HD upgrade price was $599 to begin with, then I'd say it's fair. That being said, I don't use HD, and there are a few out there saying that even $999 is fair for the features.

If you already have the CPTK, $300 is absolutely a no brainer for Disk Cache alone.

[Shan]

Originally Posted by Dism

If you already have the CPTK, $300 is absolutely a no brainer for Disk Cache alone.

Disk Cache is hardly original when it comes to running Pro Tools in RAM. This has been done years ago by the LE guys on the Windows platform who took it to a whole new level. Not just running the audio of a session in RAM, but the entire session including plug-ins. When this was done, every common DAE error vanished and the whole system was mind blowing responsive. I'd recommend those who want a better Disk Cache to go grab the trial of Super Volume 4 and prepare for a shock. I'm sure there is a Mac equivalent out there somewhere. If there's interest in a video demo for setting this up, I'll do it for the PT community. It's good to see it implemented as part of PT finally, but there's other Disk Cache solutions out there that can benefit every part of Pro Tools including all your other audio apps you may have. Just running the VI's alone in RAM will get rid of many common problems that have been posted here over the years.

...and you'll have it in any version of PT.

Shane

[Chris Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by Barry Johns

Seems to me that the features are not quite worth the cost of upgrading. Seems to me that they are overcharging us for their R&D. For the price I'd like to see a much more feature laden release in PT10.

Digi Tech Support is that enough on topic? I mean we are talking about the features of PT10.

Barry, .... dude .... can't you see that you and your wild bunch are making a fool of yourselves ?
I only see a handful of you repeating themselves over and over again. 150 posts of 5 people complaining about Pro Tools 10 does not mean there are 150 people complaining about Pro Tools 10 yet that is the impression you would like everybody out here to have.

How many of you have actually laid your hands on Pro Tools 10 yet ?
How can you claim that the feature set is not worth the upgrade if you haven't even tried it yet ?
And on top of that claim that you represent the entire Pro Tools community by doing so ?

You've been around for while no ? Then surely you've seen the previous rounds of complaints every time Digidesign or Avid have released something new.

Go on .... have a go at me ... I work for Avid and I'm not entitled to voice my opinion out here right ?
Well I'm not a member of the 'Saying Pro Tools sucks is cool so I signed up for the anonymous members club' that's for sure

At least you have the guts to say it in our face under your real name. Respect for that !!

[The Dougfather]

Hi Chris,

Your right in what you say but BrickWallStudio hit the nail on the head yesterday.

How else are these guys to get their points across, you have shut down email contact and want $$$$ just to connect a phone call. This upgrade doesn't effect me personally but i can certainly understand where these guys are coming from.

I had an 003R+ up until a few months back. Because there was literally now way to communicate with Avid regarding my issues the dealer had no choice other than to give me a refund, they had to suck it up, how can we contact Avid about genuine warranty issues that don't warrant $$$$ phone call, the dealer didn't seem to know?

For me this was a blessing in disguise, now the 003 is obsolete, even though it's still for sale?

[JayNocturn]

I agree that without Disk Cache features $300 for an upgrade is too much for PT10.

all good if others have different points of view.

[25ghosts]

Originally Posted by Chris Lambrechts

Barry, .... dude .... can't you see that you and your wild bunch are making a fool of yourselves ?
I only see a handful of you repeating themselves over and over again. 150 posts of 5 people complaining about Pro Tools 10 does not mean there are 150 people complaining about Pro Tools 10 yet that is the impression you would like everybody out here to have.

As an AVID employee, you should set a better example as a forum-poster and not directly commence an attack/ridicule a fellow member,
thus directly break DUC Rules!

Barry,

The features added into PT 10 may seem as if they are old as in 'They already existed in other DAWs' -
however, those features, nevertheless were never actually implemented into Protools until now. So they are new Protools features, although not new features.

Since moving my sound production to Protools in 2005 (from Logic Pro) I have been VERY happy with this software. A software which is written to perfection. Perfection, WHY -- Well - It is the ONLY software (all kinds of software included from Photoshop to mail) that NEVER crashes on me. Never. My macs are running 24/7 (I mean that literally - I never turn them off) and Protools just follows suit. I like that.
I would rather have a stable software than a feature-laden one. But that is just me.

What I really wanted to say before bringing on this loooong anecdote was that if you consider the smoothness of Protools 10 as a FEATURE, then I would say YES --- it is worth the stretch of lightning your wallet of 10 big notes.

Do I still think that the price of $999 ($599) is a lot of money... YES !!! But what is more important, Do I think I get A LOT for that money. THAT answer is also YES...


I may be different here.. But - if Apple posed this question to the Logic Users (me as well) "Would you guys be willing to pay a $2000 upgrade for Logic 10, if we PROMISE and guarantee that it will NEVER crash...." -- My answer would be 'H E L L Yes'..... Some might argue that a software should be that way when shipping. Unfortunately that aint so. The $2k would be an insulting large amount of money to pay for something that I would consider standard... However, if it would take care of my problems and save me from having a premature heart attack because I get upset when it crashes, then THAT price is a steal.

Had I been CEO of AVID, I would have chosen a different price for the new products.

Barry, I appreciate all your postings here on the DUC... And I would like to see them coming in the future. This place aint the same without you. I have heard your voice in this matter and so have others. Dont punish your fellow DUC'er by getting banned

[acmost]

Ya know, a lot of the hostilities will eventually blow over here & we'll move on but…

I suppose I'm most pissed about the PT10 vs. PT10 HD pricing.
PT 9 gave up just about all of the goods to LE users, HD basically got nothing extra except you can take your iLok out of your machine & stick it in a laptop & go.

Now PT 10 HD is three times the amount of PT 10 and you don't get what I consider two of the biggies(IMO), 16K of ADC & 32 Bit Floating Point. I realize that the current TDM Architecture doesn't support it but that ain't the issue. The issue is that AVID is gouging HD users and essentially giving them less. At this point I am repeating myself thoroughly. I know the price got cut with the, "Oh yeah, well huh…here's a service plan & guess what, you're in luck!" It shouldn't cost more than the regular PT 10 upgrade. You get less functionality & features...and you get charged more for it, period. You got to think that the jump from 9 to 11 is gonna suck like going from 7/8 to 10, I dunno.

I've done every upgrade up until now. I don't see myself going to 10 yet although it's probably nice, no doubt. I'll wait for 11 and see what happens. I'll either buy some used Accel cards, get 10 & stay put or I'll jump to HDX. I never looked back once selling a 002, I can't see going Native although plenty of Nuendo studios do well...most of them have consoles for monitoring though. Hey I like Nuendo alot...hope I don't don't start going down that path...AGAIN!

Native interests me and I know there's a bunch of success stories but I would want a 12 Core Mac for it and 5K or whatever for that and that Mac'll be obsolete as quick as Nubus I suppose.

Good luck y'all!

Decaff

[Hanswurstlsepp]

Originally Posted by Barry Johns

Seems to me that the features are not quite worth the cost of upgrading. Seems to me that they are overcharging us for their R&D. For the price I'd like to see a much more feature laden release in PT10.

Digi Tech Support is that enough on topic? I mean we are talking about the features of PT10.

Hi Barry,

my personal opinion is, that the deal with the $ 499,- for a year updates is okay - not bad - not good - but okay ... for me

PT10 enhanced my personal workflow very much:

I do a lot of editing with AudioSuite. The new handle feature is fantastic. No more fiddling with crossfades and region start/end points.
Also the possibilty to have multiple AudioSuite window open is a real time saver when "cleaning" vocal tracks i.e. Like I have now one EQ, one X-form & one VocAlign window open. I would say, it increased my speed bout 30%.

Then ClipGain is fantastic. I can do now rough "pre-editing-volume" and can change non destructively back later while doing the final mix.

Then disc cache is great, too - it's different as a simple ram disc is cause you don't have to care to copy your audiofiles later back to a real HD for saving.

I haven't checked the new AAX plugins which came with PT 10 - but from what I've read, they should be cool, too. Esp. when running PTN.

Then the possibility to use my D-Command for switching quick to my MacBookPro which is running PT-native (which I haven't upgraded so far) is kind of neat.

Then - PT10 HD is extremely stable here. I had only one single crash during last week and I worked bout 14 hours per day.

So all in all I'm satisfied - I could finish my stuff til the deadline easily and now I can go to vacation

Just my 2 cents