Protools LE and the fight of its life?

[rqstudio]

Originally Posted by peppertree

Back in the early 90's I wrote a pocket object database for apps that saved everything in one file and did it way FASTER than your typical full-commit approach. There is no reason why this wouldn't be a better approach with intelligent engineering...the problem of course being the extreme scarcity of intelligent engineering...

This would also end the nightmare of LOST audio files! How can DIGI allow this to happen? They should be locked to your session like Gorilla Glue.

[paulreed]

Originally Posted by Shan

It's sad that we have to look for other solutions to record and then bring it all into PT. Please Digi, get rid of that damn "LE" philosophy. It's dated old 20th Century marketing poo poo. Our hard earned money goes to other apps for solutions when it doesnt need to. Considering this tough economic climate we're in, I think you would like us to invest in you...instead of others for our countless "work around" solutions. Many of us have dedicated 10 years to LE and the frustration with the slowest development on the planet is an understatement.
Shane

thank you Shan, how many work arounds have I dealt with instead of making music....
I am going on 10 years and am patient, but come on I want more than 18 inputs and NEED more than 32 busses........

[Shan]

Originally Posted by rqstudio

This would also end the nightmare of LOST audio files! How can DIGI allow this to happen? They should be locked to your session like Gorilla Glue.

...or audio files recorded to another drive or partition instead of the main audio folder which I'm sure we've all experienced more than once.

Shane

[paulreed]

Originally Posted by Shan

...or audio files recorded to another drive or partition instead of the main audio folder which I'm sure we've all experienced more than once.

Shane

Ive leaned the disc allocation lesson tooooooo many times

[Shan]

Originally Posted by paulreed

thank you Shan, how many work arounds have I dealt with instead of making music...

Confronting the total hours of lost time with work arounds and troubleshooting etc would probably reveal a shocking number we wouldn't want to know.

I am going on 10 years and am patient, but come on I want more than 18 inputs and NEED more than 32 busses........:cool

My 10 years gets re-evaluated Jan 1st 2010. The "patience" will end then with a decision made on my DAW usage future. The new up and coming young pups that are appearing with fresh code and a fresh perspective right down to marketing in this modern internet era definitely have my attention.

Shane

[nod25]

Originally Posted by Shan

My 10 years gets re-evaluated Jan 1st 2010. The "patience" will end then with a decision made on my DAW usage future. The new up and coming young pups that are appearing with fresh code and a fresh perspective right down to marketing in this modern internet era definitely have my attention.

Shane

Me too. Me too. Me too.

[Wavelabs]

I am a M-Powered User

There is only ONE problem [So Far] that I have with Reason & Record.

Why in the hell they did not COMBINE the 2 and made it into REASON 5....?

You have to open up 2 separate applications in order to use Reason and Record.

People are getting really tired of having to have 2 applications opened just to do one task.
[MAKE MUSIC].

Its the same thing with Protools and Reason.
its 2 applications that takes up massive amount of CPU processing.
Specially if a user has lots of tracks with Effects and Automations.

But of course Protools is not Reason,
So that part is understandable. because they are 2 different companies.

But as far as for Propellerheeads, its one company, so.....
Propellerheads need to combine the 2 and make it into ONE program.
OR
At least have the option of buying a combined version at least.

So users can be able to just open ONE application and not 2



Wavelabs

[airon]

Originally Posted by Wavelabs

There is only ONE problem [So Far] that I have with Reason & Record.

Why in the hell they did not COMBINE the 2 and made it into REASON 5....?

You have to open up 2 separate applications in order to use Reason and Record.

People are getting really tired of having to have 2 applications opened just to do one task.

That's actually what Record is, one application to do it all. If you have Reason, you can use all its instruments and effects in Record. It can load Reason songs of all versions.

And at 499 for both apps in one go, it's inexpensive as well. You want to work in their environment ? There you go. Taking your material out with lots of 'use the fx or not' and 'use the volume/pan faders or not' options is a breeze.

Its performance capabilities will probably make it a great option to bypass Protools' track count limit and its clumsy system behavior on PCs. It is easy to sample-accurately send sub-mixes in to Protools via Rewire, though I'm beginning to doubt that many people will want to deal with Protools LE's insanley archaic limitations and lack of professional-grade delay compensation. Most people I meet just use Reaper for that and just ditch Protools alltogether.

This ought to add to the fire burning under Digidesign/Avids backside considerably, because a great performer Protools no longer is, and cost efficient it ain't for any prospecting users.

Wish it weren't so, but what can you do.

[peppertree]

Originally Posted by airon

It is easy to sample-accurately send sub-mixes in to Protools via Rewire, though I'm beginning to doubt that many people will want to deal with Protools LE's insanley archaic limitations and lack of professional-grade delay compensation. Most people I meet just use Reaper for that and just ditch Protools alltogether.

This ought to add to the fire burning under Digidesign/Avids backside considerably, because a great performer Protools no longer is, and cost efficient it ain't for any prospecting users.

Wish it weren't so, but what can you do.

I'm sure ^V|> feels the heat, but their (mis)management is so oddball, they might decide the best defense option is actually to commit seppuku and go high-end only. I.e. purposefully turn themselves into another Euphonix or some other minor player, following in the footsteps of their video wing.

It's really hard to list the myriad ways how grievious a strategic error that would be, but when you think about it, it's just another notch beyond their current strategic self-annihilation.

Oh and Shan you might want to wait a couple weeks in January till Winter NAMM opens. Missing the Xmas buying season would be awful for them in the consumer space, but they might not have the hops to get something out before then.

[kbruff]

Originally Posted by paulreed

thank you shan, how many work arounds have i dealt with instead of making music....
I am going on 10 years and am patient, but come on i want more than 18 inputs and need more than 32 busses........

amen * 100^100