Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Simple answer. Drive should have been backed up before going anywhere. Having been dropped, that drive should now be considered to be scrap.

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Thank you! You are right, Yes, I should back up them before taking on a flight, if a drive dropped, I can copy from that backup drive, no worries then.

The thing is, when traveling a lot, normally people put drives in a bag, and if one bag drop, all drives drop... Sometimes I go to places where has no internet at all for cloud backup.

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

The other thread that you started had a wealth of information on there. You chose to ignore it then and you're choosing to ignore it now.

If you're worried about data integrity, do a checksum like was mentioned.

And this nonsense about missing frequencies - seriously? Don't take this the wrong way, but it seems like you need to go back to basics and learn some REALLY fundamental principles of digital audio. I'm not saying this to be mean. Really, I'm not. But, I did glance at some of your prior threads... Hmmmm...

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Rockman413 I got three letters for you: SSD

I'm guessing these are spinners right? Some drives are pretty tough. There are Seagate Barracudas in my Glyph and LaCie drive cases (nobody makes their own drives as such) and they are pretty tough. Drives when they shut down park their heads in a safe zone so should the head actually make contact with a platter there's no data loss. The actual spinner drive is probably okay but I'd suspect the bridge interface board may have a crack in it. Remedy if so - pop said spinner drive out and put it in a new case.

Seriously - that drive should have been in a fitted case with a flip lid so the TSA droid can look at it without handling it. They understand (or should) about such things. And for the love of all that is music - don't put all drives in one case for the exact reason you stated. That way you don't lose all drives at the same time.

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

SSD! Thank you!
I understand SSD are less afraid of shocking, plus they are easier for me to travel. Do you know how shock-resistance a normal SSD are? 5 meter height drop would not cause any damage?

The thing now is... How should I treat the copied out files from that dropped HDD? Must I listen thru them all ? Or as long as the copy is complete, then I can trust them... (there're no original files to compare/check at this stage)

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Where the hell are you getting a 5 meter drop? From one floor to another? From an airplane cargo hold to the ground? Get serious dude. No one would EVER do that with a naked drive. Put said drive(s) in separate specially built cases - they do exist you know. Would be cheap insurance against most kinds of stupidity except for maybe someone playing Pele or Ronaldo with the drive.:rolleyes:

A decent alternative if you don't want to spend the money for special cases :confused: is if you still have them are the original boxes the drives came in. If you ever pay attention to UPS or FEDEX drivers when they deliver some stuff you wonder if what's inside survived. And unless the box is completely smashed the innards will be fully functional.

If you want figures look at whatever documentation the drive manufacturer has that states what said drive will take. Glyph or LaCie might not have that but the company that actually makes the drive inside the case will have those kinds of figures.

But back to the data - read off/listen to each track to see that they have what they're supposed to have and then copy them to something safe. Yes I have had drives fall off a table, even while operating and for the most part they survived with the data intact. Did I trust those drives to be perfect into the future? Nope. Copied the data off to other drives.

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

The TSA employee was this dude.

http://images2.sina.com/english/life...1118190126.jpg

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Now THAT'S tall!

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

in the time it takes to post all this you could have listened to all tracks to MAKE SURE .. not yelling ..

i have never ever had to take a drive out of a bag .. because they are packed in cases that are ShockProof ..

where were you travelling, as this might shed some light .. 3rd world type country of some sort, that has no X-ray ??

try not to feel too bad about what people are saying, they mean very well that you learn some hard lessons quickly ...

cheers johh

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

You don't need to listen to them if you have both source and copy you can do a file compare using the file hashes - file verification

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

THIS^^, and...

The mantra is: if it doesn't exist in two places, it doesn't exist.

A professional:
Does not carry the original and the backup together when traveling.
Does not use drives that are questionable; if something bad has happened to a drive to make you suspect it, you should REPLACE that drive.

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Actually the mantra is the data isn't considered safe unless it's backed up in three separate places with one of which preferably kept offsite. Unfortunately my bank doesn't have any safe deposit boxes left that are large enough to put a couple of hard drives in.

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

The thing, after recording in another city, I don't have a backup. Yes I'll do back up next time.

But now, I can't do the verification as the dropped disk is the original copy I have. I can successfully copy them out , but do I have to listen thru all 80 tracks?

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

How about if someone's using SSD, if an SSD dropped , expensive to replace ...

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Yup. Like, if you got in a minor fender bender, you'd get out of the car and inspect for/the damage.

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Is this the same guy who thought moving files into and out of the recycle bin would degrade the integrity of the files? :(

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

Yeah... :cool:

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

I heard from other people from other forums that, as long as we can copy the files out without seeing any errors, then there'll be no errors meaning I don't have to manually listen and check.

But it seems from what you said, even though the copy finishes without any error, they can not be trusted.

Which one is right?

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

All that copying a file without errors means is there were no bit errors in reading the file from the drive. It doesn't mean the audio isn't corrupted in some way. You really don't have any concept on how things work in the digital world do you? A bit error will definitely mess with your file but an error in what those bits represent won't give a bit error.

I hope I don't ever have you work for me or do work for me. :eek:

Re: If I use a crap HD to copy audio files, would it cause any problems?
 

Come on maaaaan

You are asking the same question in 100 different ways :rolleyes:

Whats the matter with you!?? How is anyone gonna be able to say what your misuse of your drives is gonna work out ??

You are asking for us to say what you want to be the truth and it won't happen. I am stunned that anyone here are still trying and I emphasise on the word "trying" to set the record straight but as your other thread which is now merged to this new one kept going with suggestions you just keep mangling and mangling the subject.

What is it youu want anyone here to do for you? Do you not understand what we wrote in the 50+ posts regarding this!?

NO ONE can answer what happened when you carelessly let your drive drop to the concrete airport floor. Period! Stop rehashing the same question in different ways. To get to some answer you wanna hear.

Re: If I use a crap HD to copy audio files, would it cause any problems?
 

I'm beginning to think that we're being played like a cheap violin. 413 has found an audience that was at one time thought he was legitimate and continues to feed him. What's that old saying about not feeding the trolls?

Re: My Pro Tools audio file drive hit the floor at the airport
 

:D