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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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Any random TOSLINK connector may or may not support S/PDIF and/or ADAT. You have to look at the details. And coaxial copper and TOSLINK on consumer gear might also support multichannel/surround formats... which are very different than S/PDIF or ADAT. Quote:
And a Rosetta 200 converter just won't beat a modern converter in a quality interface. Technology moves on and what was state of the art decades ago is no longer. Love me a Neve 1073 but it would go into the line level inputs on my RME gear. And the Rosetta would probably be for sale on Reverb. Your API box has a AES/EBU output and on many higher-end interfaces I'd be using that over S/PDIF on copper or TOSLINK. Or if your interface only has S/PDIF on TOSLINK then just get a TOSLINK to copper coax S/PDIF outboard converter. But again with older gear, don't assume the outboard conversion will be best. I'd A/B listen to also driving the API preamp box into a good interface analog line inputs. Quote:
UAD doesn't seem big on S/PDIF or AES/EBU connectivity in general, even their highest end interfaces give you very little there, a turn off for me. And yes RME provides more, but more importantly to me they are a big proponent of MADI and I can hang all sorts of converters off MADI (and to be fair I could hang a RME ADI-192DD converter box off ADAT/SMUX on a larger UAD interface and provide up to 8 AES/EBU (or coaxial copper compatible S/PDIF) inputs and outputs. If the big attraction of UAD interfaces are the UAD DSP powered plugins be careful that the DSP power in a Twin is unlikely to get you far and you may be buying add on DSP units. But that add-on power does not help you running plugins in the Apollo Console. It's a complex environment worth doing some reading about (read the hardware and software manuals) if you want to go UAD... and they do make great gear and very nice plugins, and are adding native plugins, but UAD are very good at extracting money from addicted plugin users |
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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As far as the 10 channels but only seeing 2 on the actual interface, i honestly still don't get it. Same with a lot of the other interfaces, like interfaces that say 24-channel inputs and so on. Where are all the channels/inputs coming from if they are not on the actual interface itself? I realize there's probs a very obvious explanation to this but I am fairly new to this so somewhat clueless. |
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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The attached photo is the back of my interface. 64 inputs and outputs of MADI on that thin orange fiber optic loop connection (well actually 32 given it's running at 96kHz). Multiple boxes connected to the MADI via AES/EBU boxes... currently several guitar processor/amp sim boxes. The coax is being used for word clock, AES/EBU output going to a Grace monitor controller, a couple of channels of analog output going to I have no idea where. None of the analog inputs being used on the interface box at the current time. But what actually do you need? It doesn't sound like you need a lot of concurrent I/O? |
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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Also you mentioned the Rosetta200 kinda blows compared to newer converters. I don't doubt it. So you think it may be better to run the Neve1073 channel into whatever audio interface? So instead of going Neve107 => Rosetta => Interface, you are saying it may be better to go Neve1073 => Interface ? |
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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The Rosetta 800 you have already *is* an ADAT line level input and output box. Like... a large range of products at many price points and capabilities. Preamps and/or line level, maybe with Mic DI, maybe remote control preamp gain, maybe multiple digital outputs, different sample rate support etc. etc. https://vintageking.com/recording/co...el-adat-preamp https://vintageking.com/audient-asp800 https://vintageking.com/heritage-aud...s-a-mic-preamp https://vintageking.com/rme-12mic-pr...audio-networks (an example of a preamp box with multiple format support, ADAT, MADI or AVB, your choice but you pay $$$) https://vintageking.com/rme-m-1610-pro-madi-network-i-o (an example of a line-level I/O box with multiple format support, ADAT, MADI or AVB, your choice but you pay $$$) https://vintageking.com/neve-1073opx...te-card-bundle Quote:
As long as you have a decent interface and a spare analog line input you can just throw your mic preamp output into that.. or if you don't have enough line inputs again you can add a decent preamp/line in box on ADAT or MADI or whatever digital I/O connection if your interface has that... and again the Rosetta 800 is such a box if you have an interface with ADAT Input. |
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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As far as different digital connectivity, i don't think i'll need a ton of different optoins. Just as long as it has one digital (SPDIF or ADAT) I should be fine. If i have to use the COAX to Optical Toslink converter Ill just do that. Or use the Toslink to AES converter. With respect to converters I'll just try it both ways... with the converters I have (API and Rosetta) and also try the converters in whatever interface i get. I like the RME's but cheapest one with thunderbolt is double the cost of an UA thunderbolt one. I realize there are other differences but since i don't need a ton of inputs or the optionality of other digital connectivity i feel like the UA Twin Apollo models (quad) in particular are most practical even though I am not a huge plugins or effects guy. At least i normally don't print/record with them and probs won't even mix my own ****. Still the UA models seem most practical for the price point. Pre-Sonus has an interface with thunderbolt that looks pretty good but still inclined to go with one of the UA thunderbolt interfaces to have the option of using the plugins. I'm sure i am missing a bunch of factors to consider and if any come to mind please feel free to point em out. Or if my logic is off with anything i've concluded. Thanks again for help so far. |
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You *don't* need thunderbolt... UAD arguable does because they need to run their DSP plugin processing over the same link the audio works over. And cough, UAD don't actually deliver stunning low latencies. RME have good videos explaining all why you don't need Thunderbolt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSIf4QGYs-c And you have lots more connectivity options with USB. I have the UFX+ and a Thunderbolt Mac... and I connect it via USB 3.1.
I would have thought if any RME interface made sense for you it was probably the UCX II. But there are many Thunderbolt interface that are clearly great for lots of reasons from UAD to Apogee to Presonus to ... If you care about latencies you can read up on all the RTL measurements folks make on interfaces, but it's often a waste of time rat-hole. https://gearspace.com/board/music-co...data-base.html But notice which vendor dominate that list... just one sign RME makes good stuff. I think the reason to buy UAD interfaces is if you really want their DSP plugins in the console and are willing to pay for all that. And I do think their plugins are great, I just don't want to have to pedal their $$$ plugin train down the track. To me it's actually vendor quality and support that matters a lot, folks like RME, UAD, Motu give me warm fuzzies. |
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
No you definitely don't "need" Thunderbolt.
RME, Metric Halo, and MOTU all make good USB interfaces with analogue and digital I/O.
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Re: Please please help... Catalina + 2022.5 + MBox Pro?
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That one brought me to this which has been super useful to clarify USB vs Thunderbolt: Thunderbolt vs USB Audio Interface | Which Is Best For You? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2qbFZxcDjQ |
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