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Old 03-31-2021, 06:09 PM
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I may be older than the rest of you - my first programming was with punch cards
I just caught the tail end of punch cards. I started programming in ForTran77 back in the day but still had to clean out the card punch confetti in the data center and tear off print jobs off the line printers. Good times.
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Jesus ... i feel like a newborn compared to you guys
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I just caught the tail end of punch cards. I started programming in ForTran77 back in the day but still had to clean out the card punch confetti in the data center and tear off print jobs off the line printers. Good times.
I was just thinking about my old Univac days.
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I was just thinking about my old Univac days.
It seems that there is some correlation between folks that worked on early computers and people now working in audio. There is just something satisfying about sitting in front of of a control surface and a glowing screen I guess.
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:04 PM
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The Mac thing... if you buy a new Mac “today”, it’s going to come with the latest OS, and you can’t revert to an older OS than the machine shipped with.

I have always been led to believe that Pro Audio Windows users tend to “roll their own” and have greater control over which OS is installed.

So it seems that Mac OS updates end up taking precedence for that reason. I, myself, am stuck in a limbo for getting a new machine as all of the devs heave along to some new sort of interoperability.

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I'll be the first to admit that Avid (and Digidesign before) definitely seems to have a Mac leaning. I was a diehard Windows guy years ago and frustrated by the Mac-centric ecosystem on the Audio/Music industry. When Apple adopted Intel processors, I decided to give a Mac a try. It cost more but things just worked without much technical effort. I'm a technical guy with decades of PC and networking experience so was not afraid of the technology, but eventually I accepted that Apple did things under the hood so I didn't have to futz with it. I'm not getting into a PC vs. Mac war here as I still use both. If it is just the for audio, I use Mac. As you've noticed, 90% of the release notes are about Big Sur compatibility while a one-liner mentions Windows 20H2. It is telling about their priorities whether I agree or not.
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Mac thing now and few years to come is the Apple Silicon transition. It will take until only support is for Apple Silicon that things are great again


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The Mac thing... if you buy a new Mac “today”, it’s going to come with the latest OS, and you can’t revert to an older OS than the machine shipped with.

I have always been led to believe that Pro Audio Windows users tend to “roll their own” and have greater control over which OS is installed.

So it seems that Mac OS updates end up taking precedence for that reason. I, myself, am stuck in a limbo for getting a new machine as all of the devs heave along to some new sort of interoperability.
It depends on the OS it shipped with. Buying a new Mac with OS A, then rolling back to OS A-1, was very common, in fact we probably rolled back the majority of new Macs immediately after buying. From what I understand, Macs that shipped with Catalina cannot go backward an iteration, but I don't know about Big Sur. Can it go to Catalina? In any event, the "stuck with what you get" rumor has been around for years, often perpetuated by people unfamiliar with Apple and often quite the fans of Windows.
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Old 04-01-2021, 02:36 AM
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A Mac with Catalina can go back to Mojave if the original OS the Mac in question shipped with when it was first released was Mojave. So if the Mac came out when Mojave was the current OS but was still a current model on sale when Catalina was released and thus when buying it had it installed, then yes it can be rolled back.

It’s really not that hard to grasp but it seems to confuse so many people for some reason. Easiest thing to do is to grab the app MacTracker and it gives you all the info including original shipping OS for every machine. Available as a Mac app and also an iOS app.

Also, the OS has to be down to the point revision. For example, if it shipped with 10.14.3, you can’t install 10.14.2. It’s just driver related. The drivers for the hardware in the machine won’t be baked into the OS so it won’t run.


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Old 04-01-2021, 09:39 AM
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Yes, that's what I'd said -- it depends on what the computer shipped with. But it does take some research, albeit not much, to find out which OS initially came on your machine. Even that is more work than most want to do, and I don't blame them. In general, people just want things to work and rolling back an OS is a hassle, and it feels like you're instantly tainting a brand new machine.
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Yes, that's what I'd said -- it depends on what the computer shipped with. But it does take some research, albeit not much, to find out which OS initially came on your machine. Even that is more work than most want to do, and I don't blame them. In general, people just want things to work and rolling back an OS is a hassle, and it feels like you're instantly tainting a brand new machine.
It only depends on what was on the computer when it was first released - not shipped. Big difference.
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