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Old 05-05-2013, 05:56 AM
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Default Avid officially kills Sugar Bytes TransVST

well it's official...tansvst will never see the light of day.

from the sugar bytes kvr forum:
'TransVST has now finally been rejected.'

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewto...7ee23ab8852205

it seems that avid is commited to limiting it's customer's choices and options. nothing more than corporate bs!

are we customers or numbers on a graph???
very disappointing.

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Old 05-05-2013, 06:05 AM
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Default Re: Avid officially kills Sugar Bytes TransVST

That sucks for sure. And for those who don't want to go to KVR here's a link toe SugarBytes and it's right there on the page: http://www.sugar-bytes.de/
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:24 AM
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Default Re: Avid officially kills Sugar Bytes TransVST

Personally, I think this is semi-positive. Maybe it will encourage more developers to develop AAX! I personally don't like using a wrapper (I currently use one with PT 10). A wrapper is not as good as a native plugin.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:43 AM
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Default Re: Avid officially kills Sugar Bytes TransVST

Sure wrapped software have deficiencies but the user can choose to use or not for other options.
How is it so different from hosting via other apps? (From the users POV not the tech side)

"...don't like using a wrapper (I currently use one with PT 10)" but you use it for some limited reason.

Other lurking politics no doubt.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:11 AM
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Personally, I think this is semi-positive. Maybe it will encourage more developers to develop AAX! I personally don't like using a wrapper (I currently use one with PT 10). A wrapper is not as good as a native plugin.
+1

I'd bet my Synchronic plugin that the outcome of this wrapper was the deciding factor of AAX support for some companies.

For Avid it is common sense, not corporate bs. They want as many companies as possible to support their new format. In the newly coded PT 11 it is possible that TransVST would be extremely stable and a great reason for some companies to do the opposite of support AAX.


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How is it so different from hosting via other apps? (From the users POV not the tech side).
If you are referring to hosts like VEP 5 or Reaper ReWire, AFAIK, a wrapper is a more streamlined approach, particularly with effects plugins.

With a wrapper aren't the plugins opened inside the DAW? Not the case with a host that also requires additional routing.

No effects plugin company would bypass AAX for their product to used in VEP 5. This could absolutely be the case with TransVST.
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Old 05-05-2013, 12:27 PM
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It's been a few days since I've taken the old high horse out for a ride, so here goes...

it seems that avid is commited to limiting it's customer's choices and options.

You know, this kind of crap gets really old...

Guess what...Avid doesn't sell french frys, either. Aren't those b*st*rds limiting our choices by not selling french frys?

Avid's goal is to make a profit. Avid sells software. Avid's goal is to make a profit. Avid allows/disallows interoperability with other products. Avid's goal is to make a profit.

Why is this so difficult for some here to understand?

If some action furthers Avid's goal of making a profit, they will probably take it. If some action does not further Avid's goal of making a profit, they will probably will not take it.

Some marketing guy may spout platitudes about "offering you choices", in the executive suites they just say, "Cool slogan, go with it. Now, how do we make more profit?"

It's really time for some people to grow up and learn how economic systems work...
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:02 PM
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If Avid were actually making money it would be a lot more convincing that their way of doing business is the right one.

Ruthlessly pursuing your own goals with no care for your customers or other companies in your ecosystem is a long-term losing strategy.

Avid stays in business only because they dominate their niche.
That does not mean they are maximizing their profit.

Avid will not see a dime of my money for anything except PT, that's the one product I absolutely need from them.

I regularly buy from certain suppliers and manufacturers because I know they will do their best to make things right and show real concern for solving their customers problems not their own.

Avid is not one of them.
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:18 PM
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It's been a few days since I've taken the old high horse out for a ride, so here goes...

it seems that avid is commited to limiting it's customer's choices and options.

You know, this kind of crap gets really old...

Guess what...Avid doesn't sell french frys, either. Aren't those b*st*rds limiting our choices by not selling french frys?

Avid's goal is to make a profit. Avid sells software. Avid's goal is to make a profit. Avid allows/disallows interoperability with other products. Avid's goal is to make a profit.

Why is this so difficult for some here to understand?

If some action furthers Avid's goal of making a profit, they will probably take it. If some action does not further Avid's goal of making a profit, they will probably will not take it.

Some marketing guy may spout platitudes about "offering you choices", in the executive suites they just say, "Cool slogan, go with it. Now, how do we make more profit?"

It's really time for some people to grow up and learn how economic systems work...
Well said Bill

Total agreement here and as you said, time to lay this whole discussion about rtas and vst not working with PT 11 to rest once and for all. Posting all these threads saying Avid doesn't care about us and hosed here and hosed there is really tired now.. It is NOT gonna make Avid re-write anything in 11 and if you think it will ... It WON'T!!

Let's work on 10 until 11 comes along and for rtas/tdm usage etc use 10 and be done with it I am soo lookin forward to a brand new PT and I hope it will be as awesome as announced .. Hopefully!
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: Avid officially kills Sugar Bytes TransVST

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It's been a few days since I've taken the old high horse out for a ride, so here goes...

it seems that avid is commited to limiting it's customer's choices and options.

You know, this kind of crap gets really old...

Guess what...Avid doesn't sell french frys, either. Aren't those b*st*rds limiting our choices by not selling french frys?

Avid's goal is to make a profit. Avid sells software. Avid's goal is to make a profit. Avid allows/disallows interoperability with other products. Avid's goal is to make a profit.

Why is this so difficult for some here to understand?

If some action furthers Avid's goal of making a profit, they will probably take it. If some action does not further Avid's goal of making a profit, they will probably will not take it.

Some marketing guy may spout platitudes about "offering you choices", in the executive suites they just say, "Cool slogan, go with it. Now, how do we make more profit?"

It's really time for some people to grow up and learn how economic systems work...
I agree with everything you have said about Avid.

That being said, I have a right to complain, I have a right to want something different. However, they have the right to do business how they see fit. As a consumer, you either accept it or reject it, or as I believe, to try to lobby the company that you wish would do things differently to listen to your opinions. They may never agree, and I accept that, it is their business to run, it's their decisions to make, and as someone who runs at 50 million a year business, I fully embrace that. As that person who runs a very large business, I do want to hear from my customers, so lets not imply that people should just accept any particular business practice.

Listen, I know you are not saying that, I highly respect your opinion, however, there are others here who if you don't agree with their every word, they attack and chastise you for having an opinion that differs from their own. That being said, they have that right too.

FWIW, I happen to agree with Avid on this. They have made a decision to move forward with AAX, they have the power to force other companies to join in. I personally like working with a company who has that power, those companies seem to stay in business longer, which is better for me.

I love Avid/Digidesign products. I have, like many of you have invested 10's of thousands of dollars in their products and will continue to do so in the future.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:37 AM
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Personally, I think this is semi-positive. Maybe it will encourage more developers to develop AAX! I personally don't like using a wrapper (I currently use one with PT 10). A wrapper is not as good as a native plugin.

Seeing as GForce and now Camel Audio seem to be saying "No" to AAX, I'm not seeing VST being now useless in PT11 as "semi-positive".

I get that Avid are repositioning Pro Tools for the pro-users. But this decision just smacks of spite TBH. Can't see what else Avid gain from it.
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