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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
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You are mixing the summing engine and the plugin processing in which tdm has a 24 bit fix plugin processing vs 32 bit float for hdn hdx and pro tolls 9 and over. At 24 bit fixed you have less headroom than the 32 bit float, which is why gain staging management was crucial so that you would not distort within the plugins |
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
I think that we would all be remiss if we didn't factor the incredible power of the mind and psyche, in the form of expectation bias, into this question. In the past Avid engineers, when they used to come onto this forum, have stated that there should be absolutely no difference in the sound of Native and TDM systems. Nothing has changed since then besides the fact that now both Native and DSP systems have the same summing architecture. To conclude that this is for sound quality reasons only or at all is erroneous at best.
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
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What? They sure didn't waste that time coding b/c it was going to make it worse. And if avid is not in the sound quality market I don't know what market they are in.
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
Ok, so you're gonna be one of the folks making those erroneous conclusions. Hey, what are ya gonna do except say; rock on with your bad self then.
Just please don't forget about the expectation bias stuff. |
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
So I don't propose to know the math, if I did I would probably be working for avid or another like them, however to say that this would not be an improvement in architecture (sound or quality, or leading to an improved software model) would be a bit short sighted, I would think
Otherwise they would have made native follow to TDM's standard. Now we can all swallow the pill we want to swallow (expectation bias) but I would not expect a company that makes its money in audio to go backwards in its tech development. Because if it did it would be to its own detriment, which is not self sustaining
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
Are you saying that Avid as a rule makes self sustaining marketplace decisions? If you mean short term sustaining then I would agree with you. Unfortunately, these short term market plans rarely involve improved product based decisions. They almost always involve short term extra cash business decisions like firing longtime staff and outsourcing code writing. These type of decisions rarely result in a better product. The better product usually happens despite the management decisions.
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
Your right, it doesn't work out for the better. In fact I heard rumors about a future release might have an 8 bit fixed summing mixer.
Got to get that subscription now
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
Hey I know this is old but still recent...
However, is there a way to avoid this behavior? I want Pro Tools to disable all native plugins also those after a DSP plugin. |
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
In Hybrid Mode the above behavior no longer applies. It’s either or.
No mixing DSP before Native (record behavior)
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Re: Monitoring while recording with native plugins in HD
Well Hybrid mode seems to be no solution for me. It changes every plugin available to a DSP-plugin. Lots of plugins I don’t need while tracking and furthermore when recording the whole band the plugins are too much at all for my DSP cards. Don’t want to talk about crazy switching times and even more thinking about the native/DSP thing than in non-hybrid mode, for example to avoid disabling reverbs on aux tracks and so on.
I’m used to use just one channel strip plugin while recording for most of the times that’s set to DSP. Some drum gates where native and before that channel strip, so disabled automatically while on record. But then there are some heavy compressors and limiters after the channel strip which I also don’t want to have active while recording. So I have to make them inactive manually which sucks. If you say zero-latency while recording is priority this doesn’t make sense to me. At least there should be an option to change this behavior. From programming side this must be no big deal. Audio from Interface to DSP-Mixer and back to Interface. Every plugin which would result in routing to the host-CPU must be skipped in record mode. There might be scenarios where you need to use a native plugin which is not available as DSP-plugin while recording and can accept the latency or maybe latency is so low due to buffer setting and/or the plugin itself has no big latency. In this case you should just be able to activate this native plugin in record state manually. Just my thoughts about it. |
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