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Old 09-13-2021, 11:52 PM
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I just want to drag & drop a drum loop. lol

Dragging a 4 bar pattern and having it drop in at 4 bars & 32 samples is literally a drag.

A random occurrence yet inevitable when drag & dropping or copy/pasting.

Before advising me to go to another DAW, please read my previous post on page 2.

Simply stated: Not what I've been paying for.
Especially since the problem only started after PT12 was introduced.
My guess is they just don't want to rebuild the engine (I realize PT is primarily for recording & mixing). Or they simply don't know how.

I volunteer to be a spy so as to ascertain the trade secrets of other devs!

I'm a guitarist by the way. So I am a musician and would just like to efficiently create accompaniment tracks in the DAW I've paid to use.
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Old 09-14-2021, 02:50 AM
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I just want to drag & drop a drum loop. lol

Dragging a 4 bar pattern and having it drop in at 4 bars & 32 samples is literally a drag.

A random occurrence yet inevitable when drag & dropping or copy/pasting.

Before advising me to go to another DAW, please read my previous post on page 2.

Simply stated: Not what I've been paying for.
Especially since the problem only started after PT12 was introduced.
My guess is they just don't want to rebuild the engine (I realize PT is primarily for recording & mixing). Or they simply don't know how.

I volunteer to be a spy so as to ascertain the trade secrets of other devs!

I'm a guitarist by the way. So I am a musician and would just like to efficiently create accompaniment tracks in the DAW I've paid to use.



I'm a guitarist as well. Can you elaborate more? I have never run into this issue.


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Old 09-14-2021, 07:27 AM
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I just want to drag & drop a drum loop. lol

Dragging a 4 bar pattern and having it drop in at 4 bars & 32 samples is literally a drag.

A random occurrence yet inevitable when drag & dropping or copy/pasting.

Before advising me to go to another DAW, please read my previous post on page 2.

Simply stated: Not what I've been paying for.
Especially since the problem only started after PT12 was introduced.
My guess is they just don't want to rebuild the engine (I realize PT is primarily for recording & mixing). Or they simply don't know how.

I volunteer to be a spy so as to ascertain the trade secrets of other devs!

I'm a guitarist by the way. So I am a musician and would just like to efficiently create accompaniment tracks in the DAW I've paid to use.
Humm yes please give a bit more detail as to what the issue is "literally a drag" is pretty vague . I am also a singer guitar player and do some sessions with midi accompaniment tracks , but I usually play in or program in drums .. I often copy and paste after playing a few bars and have not noticed an issue I'll guess have to try to drag and drop a drum loop and see if it is an issue ...
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:27 AM
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having it drop in at 4 bars & 32 samples is literally a drag.
32 samples is less than 1 ms at any relevant sample rate. I'm curious what issues arise from that.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:40 AM
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32 samples is less than 1 ms at any relevant sample rate. I'm curious what issues arise from that.
Ah yes the vagueness of the internet, I guess he meant 4 bars + 32 samples
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Old 09-17-2021, 01:44 PM
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Ah yes the vagueness of the internet, I guess he meant 4 bars + 32 samples
Sorry about the misunderstanding on my part. I can see how my choice of words could be more specific to bar length getting altered.
Sometimes not so noticeable audibly but eventually everything else falls out of line.
Especially when the bass collides with a keyboard chord.

The issue does only seems to happen at various tempos and sample rates.
Where an even bar length ends up being a different length after being dropped in.
Not every time but often in some sessions.
4 bars becomes 4 Bars + 32 samples added or 8 bars becomes 7 bars and an off number of samples that falls short of the original length after being copied.

Then I have to readjust the clip length by dragging the edge back to the proper length. Which is why it is literally a "drag" having to drag the clip edge back to a 4 bar length after dragging & dropping.
I have to keep readjusting the clips to fit and not make other clip notes disappear.

I'm glad others are not having the same issue in their sessions.
I'm now focusing on my guitar playing and would like to just drag n drop some patterns from the libraries I invested in without this issue in any session whatsoever.
My current session I've created all the drum patterns myself but still have the clip length issues when copying & pasting.

Have a nice weekend!
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