ELEVEN RACK and G-SYSTEM

[reycantong]

Hey guys

What is the best setting for these two to work perfectly? I'm using the 4 cable method and treating the ER as a normal amp.

Can any of you guys share your "FX LOOP SETTINGS/CONTROL"?

Should I place the FX LOOP (in the ER chain) before or after the amp and cab?

What is the best input settings on the G-SYSTEM? I'm currently on 6db (with my Mesa Boogie DC3, I'm only in 0db)

Thanks in advance...

REY C.

[Leonb]

The normal procedure would be:

guitar into Gsystem
Gsystem (insert-out) to eleven ( guitar input )
eleven ( amp2 out ) to Gsystem ( insert-return )

This way the 11r will act like ( mono ) guitar amp. You can place effects in front of 11r ( using the loops of the Gsystem ), use all of the effects of 11r ( mono ) and the effects of Gsystem ( stereo ).

The 11r has a low output impedance. This means the Gsystem insert-return should work very well with it.

[zedhed]

I prefer to take advantage of the true Z input so setup like this (which sounds like the way you are already doing it).

Guitar>11R
11R Loop Send>G-System input
G-System output>11R Loop Return

In control panel you can then move the loop around either before or after amp/Cab and have a listen to see what sounds best. Start with setting levels with all effects off, both on 11R & G-System then choose the amp/cab you want. From there it's a matter of tweaking things to suit yourself.

If you try all ideas, then go with what sounds best to YOU you should end up happy

[Leonb]

zedhed,

you are right, it's a matter of taste. important is: do you like/need the gsystem compressor,filters,loops in front of your amp.

By the way:your solution takes 8 AD or DA conversions, mine "only" 6.

you:
eleven(AD-DA) gsystem(AD-DA-AD-DA) eleven(AD-DA)

I:
gsystem(AD-DA) eleven(AD-DA) gsystem(AD-DA)

[reycantong]

Thanks for the response guys. I opted for LeonB's way for now and next week I'll try Zedhead's. I have to try the setup in a live setting first and hear how it sounds

Also, I'm using a Laney AH200 as my stage monitor. Any other "clean sounding" monitors you can suggest? Or is the Laney enough. Sounds uncolored to me for now.

Thanks again...

[CoiLive]

Just a cross-post from the T.C. Electronic forums, cause I just bought a G-System as well

Treat the Eleven Rack like an amp with a stereo FX return and wire it up with the G-System as follows:

1) Guitar --> G-System Input
2) G-System Insert Send --> Eleven Rack Input
3) Eleven Rack FX Send (Left) --> G-System Insert Return
4) G-System Out/L --> Eleven Rack FX Return/L
5) G-System Out/R --> Eleven Rack FX Return/R
6) Eleven Rack XLR Outs --> Console, PA, whatever

Set the Eleven Rack Effects level switch (on the back panel) to "rack effects"
In the G-System, turn on the Insert loop (Loops Menu in preset edit mode) and then turn on the insert lock (Utility Menu in menu Mode).

This will have the following benefits:
1) G-System pre-gain effects (in the first DSP section) and the G-System stombox loops will come before the eleven rack input - and hence before its amp models.
2) You will be able to configure the eleven rack so that the G-System post-gain FX (in the second DSP section of the G) are after the amp models and MAYBE after the speaker models as well (which would be good).
3) Everything that CAN be stereo on the G will be stereo.

You can/should still look through my white paper, since you will still need to set levels in the G-System to some degree. You are effectively hooking up "4-cable" configuration - but with an extra cable for the stereo return.

And:

ake sure you run the FX loop at the last position in the signal and set the mix to 100%. I also spent some time working with the Send & Return settings and ended up running the send between 11 and 12 o'clock and the Return at 100%.

On the G my Loop Level is 10db and Loop Headroom is 2db.

[Devram]

I'm using mine in front of my guitar head.
I can't hear the G sys when plugged into the amp.

This sounds too good to be true but I don't suppose it would be possible to just run guitar > G sys > G sys spdif out > 11r spdif in > 11r output 2 > amp input?