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Old 10-24-2002, 03:23 PM
where02190 where02190 is offline
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Default Re: Best software for creating drum tracks for use in PTLE sessions?

About the closest thing to real drum sounds I have heard is the Roland V-drums.

However, if you want the sound fo real drums, you need to track real drums.

Hope this is helpful.
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Old 10-24-2002, 03:32 PM
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About the closest thing to real drum sounds I have heard is the Roland V-drums.

However, if you want the sound fo real drums, you need to track real drums.

Hope this is helpful.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I know, I know. But what is out there that might get me closer? I can't track drums in my livingroom: my girlfriend would move out, so I need another solution. Anybody else?
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Old 10-24-2002, 03:55 PM
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This may help you:

Discrete Drums, and Naked Drums (Multiloops) offer multi-track drum patterns in a ProTools session file. You can copy and paste regions as needed to build drum patterns for sections of your song. The main advantages are that (1) you are working with recordings of a real drummer, and (2) you can mix the drum tracks (snare, kick, overheads, etc.) as you would for a regular recording session.

Check out these links for more info:
http://www.discretedrums.com/index.htm
http://www.discretedrums.com/index.htm

There are lots of sample based drum patterns that may be what you're looking for. They require the use of a sampler, and I'm investigating this, myself. Samples are usually offered in at a specific beat tempo, and often times is not the tempo you want, so you have to alter the beat with time stretching. One sample vendor, Spectrasonics offers a feature called "Groove Control" that makes chaning tempo easier. Spectrasonics also offers a sample player in RTAS format called Stylus. Its focus is primarily hip hop, dance and turntable sytle beats. Looks interesting, and I hope they offer an acoustic drum kit version of this. Do a search on this forum for some posts about Spectrasonics, or go to their web site:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/index.html

Hope some of this helps,
dave patterson / knobville
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Old 10-24-2002, 04:13 PM
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I'm a HUGE,,Battery fan,,check out DRUMKIT FROM HELL,,it's not what it seems,,all though it can be,,also check out NATIVE-INSTRUMENTS studio drum battery pack,,these are both awsome sample sets,,Battery can also be set up to stream audio into any one,or all,of 16 tracks in PT so you can treat it like you would a well miked drum kit,,
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Old 10-24-2002, 04:54 PM
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I'm a HUGE,,Battery fan,,check out DRUMKIT FROM HELL,,it's not what it seems,,all though it can be,,also check out NATIVE-INSTRUMENTS studio drum battery pack,,these are both awsome sample sets,,Battery can also be set up to stream audio into any one,or all,of 16 tracks in PT so you can treat it like you would a well miked drum kit,,
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Battery seems promising, but where do you get the actual samples from? Do they come with Battery or do you have to buy something like a sample library or what?
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:54 AM
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Default Best software for creating drum tracks for use in PTLE sessions?

Searches of the DUC yield very different opinions and frankly, I don't really understand a lot of it (yep, I'm a newbie). I would expect to find a wealth of info on this subject, but there doesn't seem to be. I'd like to program drum tracks (not necessarlity loops, but songs - intro, verse, chorus, etc). So far I've been doing this with my Boss DR5 drum machine and I run either audio or midi into PTLE, but it's not very flexible and doesn't really sound that great. I'm interested in a program that I could use to make tracks that sound LIKE a real drummer using an acoustic kit. I know it won't sound EXACTLY like a real drummer, but anything would be better than the DR5 I'm sure. I know some people like reason, propellorhead, phazer, cubase, NI battery and some others. But these all seem to be fundamentally different. For example, with a program like battery, I can figure out how to adjust a cell, but I can't figure out how I would program a patern (or where I would get samples from for that matter).

Can anybody clear this up a bit? i.e., what's the difference between the various KINDS of drum programs, how do they interact with PTLE (can I use them as plug ins, can I import them, etc), maybe post some samples of songs you've done with drum programs, post links to any helpful websites, etc.

I'm sorry to have to ask so much, but I'm having a hard time and I think a thread like this could be very usefull for lots of people.

Thanks,

David.

I should add that I'm using:

PowerMac G4 800, PTLE/digi001
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Old 10-25-2002, 04:06 AM
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BATTERY comes with some samples,,all the usual suspects,,HIPHOP KIT,,JAZZ KIT,,TECNO KIT,,ect,,and they all work well,,but the real fun of using BATTERY comes with using the more specialist librays,,ie,,STUDIO DRUMS,,,or,,,DRUMKIT FROM HELL..as these are both made to take advantage of BATTERY's multi velocity layering,,it will also import LAM kits,,but i dont know that much about them,,,also any AKAI formated disks,,
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Old 10-25-2002, 09:37 PM
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Default Re: Best software for creating drum tracks for use in PTLE sessions?

Animal,

Check the thread I started as I wanted to know how to do the exact same thing!! This was VERY informative info. They at first were all high on Reason, but Reason is overkill. Battery is what's gonna do it for me. I dl'd the demo, and I'm in the process of trying to wrap my mind around all of it. I'm gonna eventually buy DKFH and the Bun E Carlos sample CD, but not until I know for sure what I'm doing.

Good luck!

http://duc.digidesign.com/cgi-bin/ub...;f=24;t=015524

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Old 10-26-2002, 12:09 AM
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Hey animal,

The guys who wrote about BATTERY loops/ seesion files and NAKED/DISCRETE drum loop series were right on the money. All those great sounding real thick productions you hear from trip-hop producers, filmscorers, and electro-rock gurus are tight because, guess what, they use loops. Now, I'm nice with an MPC2000, but guess what, I ain't nicer than a real drummer. And it's OK. So, you didn't record those drums yourself. If you were signed to a seven figure deal, you would hire the best engineer to track kits with you. However, you can do the next best thing. If you want it to be more from YOUR soul, experiment with battery and creat your own sounds. Here's a technique that I like, that you can use with any sampler, including battery: Use multiple versions of the same sounds, for example two snares, three kicks, two hats, and two open hats. Remember that tuning and other parameters need to create different versions of each piece, but the timbre shouldn't vary so much that they sound like different kit pieces. Example: tune your second snare a couple of cents higher than the first, and filter it just a little. Then shorten the decay just a little two. These parameters should be almost imperceptable. When you're done creating your kit, be creative and loose with your programming. Nudge a tiny bit of every other snare late, and every other kick a little late too. Etc. When I say nudge I'm taliking a few samples or milliseconds. See what you come up with. Synopsis, for ease and flexibility combined, Battery is a good choice. So are loops pre-made that you bought, or cut up in recycle or by you. Good luck, and I'm sure your girl will buy you some new headphones when she hears how nice your drum programming has gotten!
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Old 10-26-2002, 12:11 AM
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Hey animal,

The guys who wrote about BATTERY loops/ seesion files and NAKED/DISCRETE drum loop series were right on the money. All those great sounding real thick productions you hear from trip-hop producers, filmscorers, and electro-rock gurus are tight because, guess what, they use loops. Now, I'm nice with an MPC2000, but guess what, I ain't nicer than a real drummer. And it's OK. So, you didn't record those drums yourself. If you were signed to a seven figure deal, you would hire the best engineer to track kits with you. However, you can do the next best thing. If you want it to be more from YOUR soul, experiment with battery and create your own sounds. Here's a technique that I like, that you can use with any sampler, including battery: Use multiple versions of the same sounds, for example two snares, three kicks, two hats, and two open hats. Remember that tuning and other parameters need to create different versions of each piece, but the timbre shouldn't vary so much that they sound like different kit pieces. Example: tune your second snare a couple of cents higher than the first, and filter it just a little. Then shorten the decay just a little too. These parameters should be almost imperceptable. When you're done creating your kit, be creative and loose with your programming. Nudge a tiny bit of every other snare late, and every other kick a little late too. Etc. When I say nudge I'm taliking a few samples or milliseconds. Also, make sure to vary velocities for swing emphasis, etc. See what you come up with. Synopsis, for ease and flexibility combined, Battery is a good choice. So are loops pre-made that you bought, or cut up in recycle or by you. Good luck, and I'm sure your girl will buy you some new headphones when she hears how nice your drum programming has gotten!
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