Plug-In Latency List...Warning Long Post

[Third Eye Studios]

WARNING: This a LONG POST so turn back now if your not prepared!!! Just thought I'd warn ya'. Here's a list of various plug-in latencies that I measured recently in PT 6.7cs3. I've always wanted a quick reference list for nudging (without the hassel of measuring each time), so I decided to compile one and here it is. All the VST's are wrapped of course. Incidentally, I think reading the delay is really only a TDM feature, so don't trust it entirely in LE. I don't worry too much about latency though, unless it gets big, but I do find this stuff useful. I think for the most part all the plug-ins are the current versions available, so I think this is pretty accurate. If anybody wants to add to this or has a different latency time, let me know and I'll edit this or whatever. I'm sure this list is going to be long, so if you don't want to read a long post, please hit the back button now.

It's listed by plug-in, actual measured latency in samples, reported latency in samples

(all measurements were taken in a 44.1k session)

• Oxford Inflator; 0, 0
  Amplitube; 0, 0 (Program Dependent)
  Auto Tune 3; 30, 0
  BF Meter Bridge; 0, 0
  BF Noise Meter; 0, 0
  BF Tuner; 0 0,
  Nomad Factory Blue Tubes (all 10); 0, 0
  Nomad Factory Free Bundle (3); 0, 0
  BF76; 0, 0
  BF LA2A; 0, 0
  BF EQP1-A; 0, 0
  BF LA3A; 0, 0
  BF Fairchild 660; 0, 0
  BF MoogerFooger Bundle (all); 0, 0
  BF Joe Meek EQ and Comp; 0, 0
  Dverb; 0, 0
  Dither; 0, 0
  POW Dither; 0 0
  All Other Digirack Plug-ins; 0, 0
  Elemental Audio Equim; 0, 0
  Elemental Audio Firium; 3072, 3040
  Elemental Audio Neodynium; 0-438, 0-408 (Program dependent)
  Focusrite D2/D3; 0, 0
  Izotope Ozone 3 (demo); 96, 0
  Izotope Vinyl; 0, 2
  Antares Kantos; 0, 2
  Lexicon PSP42; 0, 0
  Maxim; 1024, 1024
  Digi Entire DiFi Bundle; 0, 0
  PSP 84; 0, 0
  PSP Mix Bass; 1023, 1023
  PSP Mix Pressor; 1023, 1023
  PSP Mix Saturator; 0, 0
  PSP Mix Treble; 1023, 1023
  PSP Nitro ;0 0,
  PSP Vintage Meter; 0, 0
  PSP Vintage Warmer; 511, 511
  Purple Audio MC77; 5, 6
  Sans Amp PSA-1; 28, 0
  Slightly Rude Compresor; 0, 0
  Tel Rey; 0, 0
  URS A Series; 0, 2
  URS A10; 0, 2
  URS BLT; 0, 2
  URS N Series; 0, 2
  URS N12; 0, 2
  Voce Chorus Vibrato; 0, 0
  Voce Chorus Spin; 0, 0
  Antares Tube; 0, 2
  Waves Audio Track; 0, 0
  Waves C1; 0, 0
  Waves C4; 64, 64
  Waves DeEsser; 0, 0
  Waves Doppler; 0, 0 (Program dependent)
  Waves Enigma; 0, 0
  Waves IDR ; 0, 0
  Waves L1; 64, 64
  Waves LinEQ Broadband; 2679, 2679
  Waves LinEQ LowBand; 2047, 2047
  Waves LinearMB; 3528, 3528
  Waves Maxx Bass; 0, 0
  Waves Meta Flange; 0, 0
  Waves Mondo Mod; 0, 0
  Waves PAZ ;0, 0
  Waves Q10 (all Variations); 0, 0
  Waves Rbass; 0, 0
  Waves Rchannel; 65, 65
  Waves Rcomp; 64, 64
  Waves RDeEsser; 64, 64
  Waves Req ;0, 0
  Waves Rverb; 0, 0
  Waves Rvox; 64, 64
  Waves Supertap (all variations); 0, 0
  Waves TrueVerb; 0, 0
  Waves Ulta Pitch (all variations); 8192, 8239
  Waves X-Click; 2624, 2625
  Waves X-Crackle; 2624, 2625
  Waves X-Hum; 0, 0
  Waves X-Noise; 5120, 5120
  Waves Doubler (2&4); 0, 0
  Waves Morphoder; 639, 639
  Waves Sound Shifter; 6946, 6946
  Waves Trans X Multi; 64, 64
  Waves Trans X Wide ;64 64,
  T-Racks (all); 64, 0
  NI Guitar Rig; 0 , 0 (Program dependent)
  GRM Tools VST (all); 0, 0
  Blockfish (VST); 4, 0
  Floorfish (VST); 132, 132
  Spitfish (VST); 663, 661
  Normalizer (VST); 0, 0
  Frohmage (VST); 0, 0
  Predatohm (VST); 11, 0
  Liquid Bundle (VST) all; 0, 0
  Orange Vocoder (VST); 514, 0
  PSP Master Q (VST); 64, 64
  PSP Piano Verb (VST); 0, 0
  PSP Stereo Pack (VST) all 4 ;0, 0
  Ruby Tube (VST); 0, 0
  SIR Version 1.005 (VST); 8960, 8960
  Voxengo Gliss EQ (VST); 0, 0

Well, that's all the ones that I had to check out. Sorry for the long post.

Here's a link to help out with Delay Compensation in the other areas of PT LE. I've posted some current latency measurements in the thread.

[nightshadecrisis]

terrific post, third eye. very useful information, i've already printed it!
ev

[Bob Legs]

does this mean the latency number is divided by the sample rate?

eg. Waves Ulta Pitch (all variations); 8192, 8239 divided by 44.1 = 186.25 ms ?

[Third Eye Studios]

does this mean the latency number is divided by the sample rate?

eg. Waves Ulta Pitch (all variations); 8192, 8239 divided by 44.1 = 186.25 ms ?

The latency I measured was simply the amount of time (in samples) it takes for the plug-in to process audio. When I nudge tracks to compensate for plug-in latency, I usually just change the grid and counter to samples, rather than min and sec, to make it easier; because when PT reports plug-in latency (delay), the measurement it gives you is in samples. I thought my measurements should be in samples also.

[jofromabove]

Thank you very much third eye. I will also keep your list on hand in the future.
j

[phobia]

Hi!

Great post - thanks for sharing.

I was wondering though - couldn't PT do this compensation automatically ?
I mean it could measure the delay and compensate track playback seemlessly ?

I think it is already done in several DAW applications out there ...

More creativity - less hazzle

Cheers,
// J

[Cliffy_Boy]

You mean like an algorithm that takes the known latency and moves all latent tracks forward by the latency amount so that new tracks are played in time with old tracks, and and and then everything lines up during mixing and and and we'll call it Plug-in Delay Compensation (PDC) or maybe Automatic Delay Compensation ( ADC )???? NAh. It'll never work

[lemix]

Yeah..that's the rough idea Cliffy_Boy..

[keithl]

stupid question, but with the latency,

but for example:

Waves Rcomp; 64, 64

You would shift your track BACK 64 samples, correct?

[Chris Cavell]

T.E.S.,

I have a few more to report, and a couple that conflict with you findings.

amplitube and guitar rig report 0, measure zero when bypassed, and encounter various amounts of delay depending upon frequency of program content and varoious settings within the plugins...the latency is generally small though, less than 70 samples

my version of antares tube reports a 2 sample delay, but measures zero delay

morphoder reports and measures 639 on my system (you have a ??? for the reported value)

the free nomad factory plugins (sweeper, tremelo, and phaser) all report and measure zero latency

the joemeek plugins report and measure zero latency

ALL TRackS plugins report zero latency and measure 64 samples

Waves doppler's measured delay will change depending upon settings (for obvious physical reasons...like what the doppler effect is and what the plugin is emulating), but reports zero, and measures zero when bypassed.

That's all I've bothered noticing for now...everything else seems on the money to me.

Cheers,
Chris