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Re: 2 schools of thought in a mix
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Re: 2 schools of thought in a mix
Schools of thought in a mix…
I can't see why anyone would think; I'd better do this or this because it's going to get mastered. It makes no sense, 'cause as Janne says; mastering is about "translation". You mix to make it sound good. I have about four decades of recordings that I made on anything from two-track reel-to-reel and four-track cassettes, via 2" reels, DATs and adats, to modern digital and they all still sound pretty good. Only "mastering" was usually a bit of volume and fade outs, things like that. I put it down to having relatively good monitoring along the way. Closest I came to using a professional mastering was probably when my band and I made a vinyl single in '89, and we had no influence over it. Mastering in the old sense; translating from one medium to another. I had a lively semi-pro studio for over a decade, mind you, recording live bands and having a lot of fun, but I never needed "mastering". Just a little level and limit, and my clients were mostly happy with their CDR copies.
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Re: 2 schools of thought in a mix
I don't know why anyone would send out anything less than their absolute best. Granted everyone's mixing skills are all at different levels and a younger engineer may not have the experience that older engineers have, but there's no reason to be lazy with your mix and hope to rely on the mastering engineer to fix all your laziness.
Do the best you can in whatever skill level and situation you are at.
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Re: 2 schools of thought in a mix
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Of course, that would be the absolute best of that mixing engineer.
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Re: 2 schools of thought in a mix
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Hi, These monitor calibration tools can only do so much. You still need some great monitors to start with. it does nothing for reflections and reverb in your room (RT60) and your listening position is going to be very small. Headphone emulation to me sounds crazy but people are buying it. I guess the current state of the industry is 99.9% of users are now working from home and not in treated rooms! Work at making your mix sound good without trying to think about mastering and volume and try and find some unmastered references if possible! its difficult but they are out there, as some courses provide unmastered multi's and stems Chris
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Re: 2 schools of thought in a mix
Hi,
I master stuff. One of the common misconceptions among newer folks is that you put out a mix as best you can and a mastering guy will make it sound spectacular. If that were the case...... I have been fortunate enough at this point, to be able to only work for people who are pretty darned good at mixing.... Not that I want my job easier, but a lot of common beginner mistakes are eliminated: #1. Dull, lifeless mix where the guitars are way too loud. (It is virtually impossible to convince a new guitar player that the level and placement of too many guitars is kind of 4th place in the importance of a song) #2. Mix was done in a terrible room where mixer has no idea how much boom and overbearing 320hz he/she has. (Same goes for headphone mixes) #3. Mixer trying to dazzle master guy with how loud he can make his/her mixes with a chain of limiters that they saw on YouTube. (Usually a he) (That has not worked yet in any galaxy) #4. Terrible use of phase based "wideners" in the mix. (You know you're in trouble when your customer says, "I just discovered a new way to enhance my songs....MS processing") No....We do not add arbitrary boom and fizz to anything. Our job is to make it sound good across multiple playback formats. Sometimes, make it loud. Depending on preferred playback format, you may need a few different versions. Quite often, I get mixes from people that need no mastering stage. That's where you want to be. It is very difficult and there is a lot of planning involved, but you find that the people who do it really give a damn about the song, not the guitars. They also give the mixes time and listen in different places.
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