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Old 08-21-2021, 11:39 AM
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I mostly agree with this. I started hating DVS some years ago after I had some stability issues with it that I couldn't find a resolution to. If you're working on a Dante system, my very strong recommendation is to use a hardware based Dante device, which the Dante PCIe cards count as. They don't use DVS, they are the same as having an HD Native card in your computer and don't create a virtual sound card interface like DVS does.

However in the last few months I have found a use for DVS.

I use it was my back up recording for my second Protools system when I do live concert recordings. And because I have it connected to the switch that the rest of my Dante system runs on, I can use the Satellite Link Function that was enabled in Protools 2020.12 so I can control both systems at the same time and keep them in sync. With my primary system running HD Native via TB3 and my Focusrite Red 8 Pre.
Agree- I've used DVS for that purpose too.
I largely see it as its intended use.
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Old 08-22-2021, 11:26 AM
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Honestly, I don't see the point in spending 5k on an audio interface with a Digilink connector only to not use it and use DVS.
It doesn't make sense to me.

You could get a Focusrite Red 16Line for half the price and get better latency, a great computer interface and excellent sound. You'd have Dante, Thunderbolt 3, Digilink (should you ever need it) and ADAT/SPDIF onboard too.

If you really want the MTRX Studio then I would get HD Native or a HDX card.
If you don't want to do that then get the Focusrite card- it will be more reliable.
DVS is, IMHO, best only used in emergencies.

I stopped using DVS even for Mac computer sound passthrough a long time ago.
The main issue you will have it DVS cannot chase a sample rate change.
Plus terrible latency.
Plus it is using your computer's processing power to pass audio- that slows down your computer (a bit), fewer plugins etc.

My strong recommendation is to find a solution that does NOT rely on DVS.

I do agree with you on some points. The Res 16line would make financial sense, but I want to keep everything within the eucon ecosystem. I can sell my SPL surround monitor and a get a good return on it back and just use the monitoring section on avid control app.

I also like the scalability of the mtrx studio as well. I’ve been working on quite a few Atmos projects lately, so that is worth considering.

The HDX card is a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the focusrite card, but I want all my connectivity in my studio to be AoIP. Would it just make sense for me to just go with the Avid cards instead?


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Old 08-22-2021, 01:47 PM
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I do agree with you on some points. The Res 16line would make financial sense, but I want to keep everything within the eucon ecosystem. I can sell my SPL surround monitor and a get a good return on it back and just use the monitoring section on avid control app.

I also like the scalability of the mtrx studio as well. I’ve been working on quite a few Atmos projects lately, so that is worth considering.

The HDX card is a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the focusrite card, but I want all my connectivity in my studio to be AoIP. Would it just make sense for me to just go with the Avid cards instead?


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A lack of scalability is why I didn't buy the MTRX Studio actually.

I discuss why here: LINK
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Old 08-22-2021, 11:59 PM
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A lack of scalability is why I didn't buy the MTRX Studio actually.

I discuss why here: LINK

Great article!

My studio is very simple in approach and I don’t have many outboard gear (just a midi keyboard). Inputs are not much of a concern as oppose to outputs to me. I believe 64 I/O is adequate. Any finishing and outputs beyond the scope of 5.1 will be done at other facilities and not my own studio.

That is why I was leaning towards the mtrx studio. Wanted to be entirely in the eucon ecosystem but not wanting to break the bank so to speak.

Now, would an HDX card make more sense or go entirely Dante with the focusrite card?


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Old 08-23-2021, 07:12 AM
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Great article!

My studio is very simple in approach and I don’t have many outboard gear (just a midi keyboard). Inputs are not much of a concern as oppose to outputs to me. I believe 64 I/O is adequate. Any finishing and outputs beyond the scope of 5.1 will be done at other facilities and not my own studio.

That is why I was leaning towards the mtrx studio. Wanted to be entirely in the eucon ecosystem but not wanting to break the bank so to speak.

Now, would an HDX card make more sense or go entirely Dante with the focusrite card?


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Thanks.
I understand your requirement now.

Re HDX vs Focusrite- that is probably your call to make.
If you're never going to go above 64 channels then you don't need HDX.
Do you ever work in DAW's other than Pro Tools?
if so then the PCIER card is great for that.
Remember that you *could* run both, like I do.
The great thing with Dante is you can send a source to multiple destinations so I can very easily send all my inputs to both Digilink and to the PCIER card with the same channel numbering. It is very slick in that regard.

HD Native might be a good option too.
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Old 08-23-2021, 04:16 PM
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Thanks.
I understand your requirement now.

Re HDX vs Focusrite- that is probably your call to make.
If you're never going to go above 64 channels then you don't need HDX.
Do you ever work in DAW's other than Pro Tools?
if so then the PCIER card is great for that.
Remember that you *could* run both, like I do.
The great thing with Dante is you can send a source to multiple destinations so I can very easily send all my inputs to both Digilink and to the PCIER card with the same channel numbering. It is very slick in that regard.

HD Native might be a good option too.

Thanks for all your suggestions! It was all really helpful.

At this moment, I think I’m leaning towards the PCIER card than the Avid card. The Avid card is quite expensive and it’s hard to find a reasonably used one as well. So with the PCIER card, or the Avid card, I should have my second NIC port dedicated to my eucon devices. I guess I wouldn’t need a switch.

The less complicated and involved I need to be with my home network, the more hair I would have in my head


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