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Old 04-24-2022, 07:40 PM
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Default New DAD interfaces

No DigiLink, but lots of other goodies: up to eight (AX64) instead of six (AX32) analogue cards; super low latency Thunderbolt; ADAT, Dante and Pro|Mon as standard.

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Old 04-24-2022, 07:51 PM
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I am concerned what no backwards compatibility for future cards means (and the MTRX.) In essence, the AX64 means the end of the AX32 for DAD but does that mean no further development for the MTRX? The future-proof/modular nature of the MTRX might have been oversold in that case if only the current cards will be available for use.
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Old 04-24-2022, 08:05 PM
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I am concerned what no backwards compatibility for future cards means (and the MTRX.) In essence, the AX64 means the end of the AX32 for DAD but does that mean no further development for the MTRX? The future-proof/modular nature of the MTRX might have been oversold in that case if only the current cards will be available for use.
That's really a question for Avid. Looking here, the only modern HD interfaces that are past their final sale date are the Pro Tools | HD IO 16x16 Digital and Pro Tools | HD Omni. i.e. you can still buy a HD I/O.

It's not as if you can use the AX32 cards in a MTRX anyway... (I mean, maybe you can, but they're not supposed to work and certainly it isn't a supported configuration)

I think it's good that DAD continues to innovate. It's a pity of course there's no MTRX with a Thunderbolt port, as that would certainly be useful for Atmos renderer configurations. But perhaps that will be eventually solved in a different way.
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Old 04-24-2022, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: New DAD interfaces

I’m not really an expert on PCI versions and all that, but is it possible Avid could make a 256 channel HDX card in the future, like a DigiLink 2.0 that supports 256 channels per card? that would certainly simplify things..

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Old 04-24-2022, 08:19 PM
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I’m not really an expert on PCI versions and all that, but is it possible Avud could make a 256 channel HDX card in the future, like a DigiLink 2.0 that supports 256 channels per card? that would certainly simplify things..
If I've done my math right (which I may not have, ha), then a 16x PCIe 3.0 slot as one finds in the Mac Pro should be able to handle 4096 channels of 32-bit 96kHz audio (12.6GB/s).

But at that point you're probably just better off putting Thunderbolt or Ethernet on the audio interface itself...
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Old 04-24-2022, 08:44 PM
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You can't use the AX32 cards in the MTRX (they are firmware locked to models.) But the cards themselves are the same. The concern is keeping two product lines going for the option cards. Say a future AX64 card uses new ADC chips (supply issues, whatever; look at Merging and their improved cards, for instance.) Will DAD keep manufacturing the older cards until they run out of chip supply for the MTRX simply to keep prior owners as "second class"? There would be no technical reason why this "improved" card wouldn't be able to be manufactured for the MTRX (after all, the edge connector is the same.)

Just hate the idea that a chassis system (that many of us have sunk a lot of money into) could be excluded from future option card development. Which was a selling point of the MTRX. Since the MTRX debut, as far as I can remember, only 2 new cards have debuted: SPQ card and Digilink card. If that's it for this model's lifetime, it's pretty disappointing.

I'm not against DAD creating a new, improved chassis (with new features like TB3 and TB3 chaining.) Just that note about future option cards is worth flagging.
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Old 04-24-2022, 08:54 PM
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The world is kinda inverted. Pro Tools requiring HDX for large IO counts, but with HDX DSP that is increasingly a boat anchor for large mixing. Different thing for low latency tracking.. but it's mind numbing that large post shops have to go DigiLink to MTRX etc. to get large IO count.

Yet another innovator's dilemma for Avid, yet another one I'll never be surprised if they keep on doing the wrong thing. But they need to decouple high IO counts from Digilink, and show a clear roadmap for the future high-end, is that Dante AVB or both or what? DigiLink needs to die. We are on the edge of interesting new computers like the Mac Studio, and hopefully soon the Mac Pro that make the processing power of a maximum config HDX system look so stupid.
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Old 04-24-2022, 10:49 PM
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The world is kinda inverted. Pro Tools requiring HDX for large IO counts, but with HDX DSP that is increasingly a boat anchor for large mixing. Different thing for low latency tracking.. but it's mind numbing that large post shops have to go DigiLink to MTRX etc. to get large IO count.

Yet another innovator's dilemma for Avid, yet another one I'll never be surprised if they keep on doing the wrong thing. But they need to decouple high IO counts from Digilink, and show a clear roadmap for the future high-end, is that Dante AVB or both or what? DigiLink needs to die. We are on the edge of interesting new computers like the Mac Studio, and hopefully soon the Mac Pro that make the processing power of a maximum config HDX system look so stupid.
Well said, as usual. :)

If you need high I/O counts simply to route to and from the Dolby renderer, then clearly a better solution is a variation on the Dolby Audio Bridge that lets you continue to use the HD engine (and thus hardware I/O and DSP). Or integrating the renderer directly into Pro Tools as Logic and Nuendo have done. Either would suit me fine: there's no way I'm going to buy more HDX and DigiLink cards to get the full 128 channel bed+object count, it's crazy expensive and the alternatives of using fewer objects or the Dolby Audio Bridge work fine. (Generally I do the former because I don't want to lose DSP or I/O.)

Decoupling high I/O counts from DigiLink is I guess mostly a business decision, tempered perhaps by the fact that Avid having a higher QA threshold, i.e. they want to make sure high channel counts work reliably on native systems. But surely we are at that point in 2022. I'm sure if Apple really wanted to (which I doubt given the size of the market to them), they could push things further down the stack to a real-time OS Pyramix/RTX64-style and displace DSP entirely.

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Old 04-24-2022, 11:47 PM
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I don't want Pro Tools to be like any other native DAW though. You can toss 128 channels of I/O in most DAWs... but it is a bit of a kludge compared to any integrated system. Avid should really get back to making integrated systems designed for 2022. Keep HDX cards. What they do, they do very well - most people don't need more DSP. Add an internal renderer with the full 128 channels of objects - most people won't need more than one HDX card worth of IO. Fold into Pro Tools all of the monitoring and matrixing capabilities of DADman, and... Taa-da! Plug in your favourite Eucon control surface from which you can access everything you ever need, and suddenly you have an integrated DAW system that very politely says 'let's get busy working with sound'. It is the perfect antithesis to all of the YouTube based noise about Apple-computers-this, intel-CPU-that, and the weird and wild allusions that try and suggest working with sound is all about CPU benchmarks.

If anything, Avid really need to further decouple Pro Tools and it's IO from how every other native DAW on the market does it. Because how most other DAWs do it is pretty unremarkable when it comes to day to day sound work.
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Old 04-25-2022, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: New DAD interfaces

Very curious if the Thunderbolt chassis connectors will find its way into an updated MTRX chassis in the future. That would be awesome. Love HDX for the low latency tracking with DSP plug-ins in full mixes. But for every other audio app than Pro Tools , a native Thunderbolt port on the chassis would be awesome.

In a Facebook post in the DAD page I read they have absolutely no plans to discontinue the current cards, since those are the same cards that can be used in the new AX64
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