Commtting a VI and Reverb…

[Sparky1]

Hi there.

When using commit on a VI - does it successfully include the reverb tail (if there was one used on the VI within the plugin - like Kontact)?

Or do I need to route and record the VI on a separate track in real time for effects from the VI to be included?

Thanks

Sparky

[creativecontrol]

I would recommend choosing Commit > Edit Selection - then extend the end of the selection on the MIDI chunk based on the decay time of the reverb. So no, if you select exactly the clip length which has reverberant (piano) notes, you will not get the tail if you commit the selection.

best,


Jeff

[Sparky1]

Thanks for the reply Jeff.


In your opinion - do you think the sound changes much if the part is committed compared to bussed to another track and recorded?


Sparky

[creativecontrol]

They should be exactly the same. You can do a phase cancel test and they will likely cancel completely depending on the reverb algorithm.

best,


Jeff

[Sparky1]

Excellent - thanks Jeff for the information/education… much appreciated

Sparky

[DonaldM]

SOmething to think about. When committing a VI track of a part, I often turn off the reverb and delay fx within the VI. I find that adding them to the audio track using a Send to an AUX FX track gives me more control over the final output in the mix. Just a thought

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by Sparky1

Thanks for the reply Jeff.


In your opinion - do you think the sound changes much if the part is committed compared to bussed to another track and recorded?


Sparky

Confirming what Jeff said -- it should be identical. It may not phase-cancel because many reverbs have some randomization built in, but the Commit method isn't sonically compromised in any way.

[Sparky1]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

Confirming what Jeff said -- it should be identical. It may not phase-cancel because many reverbs have some randomization built in, but the Commit method isn't sonically compromised in any way.

Thanks for the confirmation Eric Lambert


Sparky

[Marsdy]

Originally Posted by Sparky1

Thanks for the reply Jeff.


In your opinion - do you think the sound changes much if the part is committed compared to bussed to another track and recorded?


Sparky

Further to Jeff and Eric’s reply, there’s another circumstance where a committed selection or track might sound slightly different from the original.

Many Kontakt libraries have round robin triggering of samples. A committed selection or track might have different sample triggered at any given point when compared to the original Instrument Track running live. They wouldn’t be identical in other words and would not phase cancel.

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by Marsdy

Further to Jeff and Eric’s reply, there’s another circumstance where a committed selection or track might sound slightly different from the original.

Many Kontakt libraries have round robin triggering of samples. A committed selection or track might have different sample triggered at any given point when compared to the original Instrument Track running live. They wouldn’t be identical in other words and would not phase cancel.

Good point about canceling. Though this is another reason someone might want to Commit. I've had cases where violin VIs simply offer too much variance in their round-robins, and sometimes those options are not so good. The way to keep them consistent -- playing only the notes you want them to play -- is to Commit (though in these cases I tend to print by routing the VI to an audio track, that way I can work my way left to right at a quick pace).