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Post Production - where to start?
I want to learn post production with Pro Tools. I appreciate there are numerous free learning resources available but many seem to lack cohesiveness which is frustrating for a beginner... I have a basic understanding of the post production workflow but I'm wondering if I need to focus on a specific role such as dialogue editor, effects editor or mixer etc?
I just think in terms of learning I'm unsure of where to go next. I would like to do something hands on in Pro Tools. Any advice would be much appreciated. |
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Re: Post Production - where to start?
Internship or assistant is the best way. Learn from someone who's been doing it for years.
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Re: Post Production - where to start?
Is there any self directed learning I can attempt to do? There are several film courses available where I live. Would they be useful?
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Re: Post Production - where to start?
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You really need to be around people in the business. Film course is a broad term. That could mean anything. You need to look into post production sound. Editorial, mixing, supervising etc. Your best bet is be an intern and be a fly on the wall. Maybe move up to assistant/tech. Or school that can teach you and give you connections to be an intern or assistant. |
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I appreciate your answer for needing to be around people in the business. Hopefully that will come. I think part of my question is what can I start doing at home myself now to get familiar with processes and techniques? I do not know yet when new training intake dates are and I would like to use the time I have to start learning something... I have Pro Tools installed my home machine and would really like to do something hands on that's constructive. I am finding the Pro Tools 101 eBook and Pro Tools documentation useful. |
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I would suggest getting amongst it until you find something more formal like an internship or study. Reach out to other aspiring filmmakers and make stuff! Watch films. Learn about storytelling. Make, mix, sound design podcasts. Start trying to build a portfolio of work, and focus on improving it. Find fun film scenes, and set about sound designing them from scratch in different ways. Aim to make better stuff this week, than what you did last week. Realise that what you make today won't be anywhere near what you make in ten years. Be forgiving of your mess ups, but be entirely analytical and reflective on why it happened, and figure out ways so it doesn't happen again. The tools are only a fraction of the job. Listen. Listen. Listen. It is all that matters in the end. And it requires repetition to improve. Lots of repetition. Always ask what you could have done better. And that doesn't just mean the sound work. Film is a collaborative format. Listening to the ideas your collaborators have is equally important. Start small. Hit stumbling blocks. Ask questions. Find answers. John Purcell has a good book on dialogue editing. It has a bunch of stuff about the history of film sound, which gives some good context on workflows. He also dives into his own dialogue editing techniques. And from memory it also includes a CD containing example dialogue editing sessions.
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Re: Post Production - where to start?
While I agree with everyone that an internship/assistant position will be necessary at some point to learn the workflows and build contacts, having a solid functional knowledge of the basic tools will go a long way to helping you get that internship - I don't really know anyone who would take on an intern/assistant who doesn't have the basics.
You can at least start by getting familiar and fast with all the basics in Pro Tools (assuming that's the platform you'll be working on) - for self-directed, there's tons out there but when I needed to learn Cubase and Logic in a hurry I went to these guys: https://www.macprovideo.com/library/...ation/ProTools There's plenty others out there - Berklee probably has some decent online courses. None of this will get you deeply familiar with specific post-pro workflows, but they'll give you some background and get you comfortable with the tools, which is step one. Best of luck!
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Re: Post Production - where to start?
I am writing from my experience derived from observing of trainees passed through my studio.
1. It is much easier for everyone when a person comes from some film education. Its important to understand - were are in post production are not just the sound people, we are a part of the movie making process. You must learn, love and live cinema. 2. I personally don't believe that being an intern, guarantees you something or even speeds up the thing. Don't think only about yourself. Ask what makes people working in post for so long. Try to be a part of it. 3. Stop thinking of Pro Tools, plugins, consoles, machines as of creative tools. They are not. They are just tools. Sometimes amazing tools...but still tools. Learn what should be achieved first in term of movie making. You'll find the right tools for it later. 4. Go study in a film school. You'll meet there people which might be your clients one day or your links to the industry. Again - we are film makers nothing less.
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Re: Post Production - where to start?
Try to get your hands on simple editing jobs.
Audio Book editing would be a good start. Once you learn how to edit sound efficiently, your chances of landing an internship or assistant position will increase. And that's where you can learn the ins and outs of different aspects of post production. |
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Re: Post Production - where to start?
Thanks everyone for the constructive and encouraging replies. Unfortunately I've become sidetracked with an Operating System issue on my main PC but looking forward to get back to this thread with the suggestions and useful information.
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