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Old 08-03-2004, 06:43 PM
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Default DIGI - Clicks and Vocals at the end of regions.

I know this has been discussed on a previous post, but after recording vocals today, I also noticed that aside from the clicks that occur at the end of a region, a vocal splat will occur as well. I had to edit all the ends of the regions to fix the problem.

I'm assuming this is being looked after. Digi tech's, if you can confirm this, at least I know I'm not losing my mind!

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Old 08-03-2004, 07:33 PM
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Dean,

Does the problem go away if you turn off ADC? We are trying to gather configuration information on systems that have this problem. Can you post your system details and list your installed plug-ins? I have had one user report he ran a program called Cocktail that cleaned out his caches, cron scripts, pre binded his system, after which he repaired permissions. After this the problem went away. I an not familiar with the Cocktail but it may be something you want to look into. Thanks in advance for the information about your system .

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Old 08-03-2004, 10:56 PM
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I'm the one that used Cocktail but the problem has returned. It does go away if you stop "using delay compensation".

Here is what I was running.
Midi - Plugsound rtas plug - Stereo Audio track using Ableton Live as plug RTAS - Guide Vocal using UA LA2A & C4.

Had a few loud clicks when punching out of the vocal takes...2 times. Just happened to re record the vocal guide track, no punching this time and no click at the end.

The only absolute difference I remember is that I had a mono aux track running with the digi click plug when we did the first guide vocal. That track was deleted before doing the second. That was the only change between having and then not having the problem.

All the plugs I had in my digi plugin folder were:
WaveShell-DAE 5.0
VW_Slayer2_FX.vst
VW_Slayer2.vst
VW_Obsession.vst
VW_Drummer.vst
VW_Cocktail.vst
VocAlignASX
UAD LA2A X
UAD 1176SE X
UAD 1176LN X
Trim
Trilogy.dat
Trilogy RTAS OSX
TimeBlender|HD 1.5 (OSX)
TimeAdjuster
Time Comp-Exp-Pitch Shift
Stereo Mixer
Speed|HD 1.5 (OSX)
SonyOxfordEQ_OSX
SonyOxfordDynamics_OSX
Signal Generator
Reverse-DC Removal
Reverb One
PSP VintageWarmer
PS02 - Fretted.dat
PS02 - Fretted RTAS OSX
PS01 - Keyboards.dat
Pro-53 RTAS
PitchBlender|HD 1.5 (OSX)
Pitch
Ping-Pong Delay
Phoenix 2.02
Kontakt RTAS
Invert-Duplicate
Focusrite d3
Focusrite d2
FM7 RTAS Carbon
Flanger
FilterFreak 1.0.2
Fairchild™ 660
EQ II
Echo Farm
PhaseMistress 1.0
Normalize-Gain Change
Multi-Tap Delay
VW_Percussionist.vst
Moog Modular V
Mod Delay II
minimoog V
Maxim
MachFive RTAS OSX
Lounge Lizard 2 RTAS X
BFD RTAS OSX
B4 RTAS Carbon
Amp Farm
Click
Chorus
Dynamics II
Dither
DigiReWire
D-Verb-AS
D-Verb
CS-80V
Altiverb™ HTDM
PS01 - Keyboards RTAS OSX
AmpliTube
Absynth RTAS
Auto-Tune 4 TDM (OSX)

I do hope this helps some how.
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Old 08-04-2004, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: DIGI - Clicks and Vocals at the end of regions.

Digi,

What I would like to know is what is technically happening between the recording of a region(s) and stopping the transport when ADC is enabled. Cuz its gotta be something with the way ADC works. Does ADC mess with the clock syncronization instantaneously when going from recording to stopping? Because I do have the 192i/o clocked to an Aardsync and the spike looks and sounds like a digital clock error. But the fact that it is actually IN the audio file AND its consistently about 60 samples from the end of the region is perplexing.

Have you guys been able to reproduce this in a base session with no 3rd party software and only digi rack plugins?

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Old 08-04-2004, 01:39 AM
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ADC is On, and I haven't tried it with it off yet. As per your request, here's a list of plug-ins in my folder:

SonyOxfordEQ_OSX
Amp Farm
AmpliTube LE
Atmosphere RTAS OSX
Atmosphere.dat
Auto-Tune 4 TDM (OSX)
B4 RTAS Carbon
BF Essential Clip Remover
BF Essential Correlation
BF Essential Meter Bridge
BF Essential Noise Meter
BF Essential Tuner
BFD RTAS OSX
bombfactory BF-3A
bombfactory BF76
Chorus
Click
Cosmonaut Voice
D-Verb
D-Verb-AS
DigiReWire
Dither
Dynamics II
EQ II
Flanger
Focusrite d2
Focusrite d3
Funk Logic Mastererizer
Impact
Indigo
Invert-Duplicate
JOEMEEK Compressor
JOEMEEK Meequalizer
LoFi
MachFive HTDM OSX
MachFive RTAS OSX
Maxim
MDW EQ
Mod Delay II
moogerfooger Lowpass
Multi-Tap Delay
Normalize-Gain Change
Phoenix_2.06OSX
Ping-Pong Delay
Pitch
Purple Audio MC77
RectiFi
Reverb One
Reverse-DC Removal
SampleTank SE
SansAmp PSA-1
SciFi
Signal Generator
Stereo Mixer
Stylus RTAS OSX
Stylus.dat
Surround Mixer
T-RackS EQ
Tel-Ray Delay
Time Comp-Exp-Pitch Shift
TimeAdjuster
Trilogy RTAS OSX
Trilogy.dat
Trim
UAD 1176LN X
UAD 1176SE X
UAD LA2A X
URS A Series EQ
URS N Series EQ
VariFi
Voce Chorus Vibrato
Voce Spin
WaveShell-DAE 5.0

I have PT on a G5 dual 2.0/3.5GB of ram, running system 10.3.4. Files are being recorded to a SATA 10K drive. I removed my ATTO card/SCSI drive thinking that might have something to do with it. It didn't. The 192 is being clocked by Big Ben.

In the current session I'm working on, these are the plug-ins being used:

Autotune
MDW
URS
Reverb One
LA2A
1176LN
Phoenix
D-Verb
Stylus
B4
Trilogy
Impact
Sony Oxford

Correct me if I'm wrong. If I removed the ADC, wouldn't I get latency issue's between plug-ins and individual tracks? I thought leaving in On, maintains time alignment between plug-in and track.

Also, I removed every plug-in which had been converted with the FXPansion VST to RTAS adapter.

To expedite your research, if you need any additional information, let me know.

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Old 08-04-2004, 01:48 AM
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ronwasserman ,

You might want to update Phoenix to 2.06. It may not solve the currect clicking problem, but it is available.

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Thanks Dean. Will do.

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DIGI- Is there a fix for this? I'm surprized that out of all Pro Tools users, only a few have mentioned this. Are some users not having "end of region" trouble?
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Hi,

This is a very rare issue so far the only reports of it that we have seen have been the ones here on the DUC. We have not been able to reproduce it in house yet. Have any of you noticed a pattern. Are there plug-ins on the tracks that this is happening on. If you create a test session with no plug-ins can you get it to happen? At this point you guys are the only source of direct insight into this issue that we have so please continue to post anything that you think could be helpful and if you have a chance to experiment with the above suggestion please let us know what your results are.

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Old 08-05-2004, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: DIGI - Clicks and Vocals at the end of regions.

DIGI- Thanks for your response.

Would it help if I sent you a soundbyte of the actual sound "I hear" at the end of the region?

Let me know, and I'll sent it out immediately. You can get in touch with me via: [email protected]

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