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Re: Apple MacBook Pro M1 Pro & M1 Max!
Only if you plan to trade up in a couple years. There's no such thing as too much RAM. If you don't use it all today, you will tomorrow, no matter how much it is. Max it out in the interest of future-proofing.
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If we were talking CPU horsepower then I'd agree. Even the insane potential of these new Macs will one day be tapped (probably by Atmos reverbs and/or VIs). But suggesting that everyone should buy the maximum amount of RAM under all conditions is just bad advice. |
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BUT ----- I think that is a different concept than recognizing "All RAM" is not equal or allow for the fact that a less amount, of more efficient RAM, may well give superior performance than possibly double the RAM from less efficient RAM..... Which was my point about perhaps rethinking what is necessary to accomplish any given work flow. Specifically someone made comment that "64 GB of RAM was not enough to do serious orchestral scoring " And since I do not do that kind of workflow I don't know maybe it isn't..... But the question is ,,,,,is that assumption based on traditional RAM, if so then given the serious performance difference with unified RAM maybe it could be ???
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I personally would get as much RAM as I can afford, but that is just for my preference. I think the use of RAM to make sample based audio readily available for use in a DAW made sense when spinner hard drives could not provision the sample data fast enough. That was 15-30 years ago. Today's SSD with increased throughput for storage is faster by several magnitudes and should be capable of provisioning sample based data adequately for DAW use. The technology of loading sample data into RAM still exist and continue to work even though it may not really be necessary with most modern systems. On most Macs, the RAM is fixed (soldered onto the logic board) or in the case of M1, M1Pro, and M1Max, the unified RAM is part of the "system on a a chip" architecture. The fact that you can not increase the RAM by adding more later means that consumers need to determine how much they need for the duration of owning the computer at the time of purchasing the computer. If 16GB is sufficient, great. If 32 is enough, go for it. If you need 64 GB, that is available with an M1Max. If you are convinced that you need more, then you'll need to stick with Intel based Macs with expandable memory for now (or use a Windows machine). If I'm not mistaken, most of the large sample based libraries can be configured to use RAM to hold the sample data or allow it to stream from the storage. I suggest if you are one of those using huge RAM in your system to make use of these sample libraries, you may want to try "not" loading them into RAM and allow them to stream from the SSD to see if performance is adequate (I'm willing to think that it is if your storage subsystem is a modern one). What I am suggesting is that we may be misguided into thinking that we must use RAM as the holding place for samples when the SSD is more than adequate for the task. I am open minded and willing to hear your results. If using the SSD in place of RAM for sample data sucks, please share that with us here so we can all make informed choices.
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Yes, get more than you need, because, as you said, it's not going to be easy to upgrade -- and probably impossible -- down the road. |
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I agree Eric. Throwing more RAM at something doesn’t magically fix problems or make the app perform better. If it’s not utilising the RAM to begin with, adding more won’t make it work better.
If you need it for large memory addressing VIs, sure. But as you rightly pointed out, 16GB RAM is totally workable. That’s all I have on my production machine and I have NEVER hit a ceiling in terms of RAM usage. In fact, the only time I’ve had an issue is with my web browser. I have a bad habit of having a LOT of tabs open so the caching of pages eats up RAM. That coupled with the fact modern browsers are just insane memory hogs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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1) Is there a setting or pref somewhere to tell a VI to "preload into RAM" vs "stream from SSD"? Does it work differently for each vendor? Each plug? I've got a smattering of VIs from XLN Audio, IK Multimedia, Waves, AVID stock ones, & maybe some others. Not sure how they load up (I use VIs only occasionally). 2) Also, does enabling Pro Tools disk cache pre-load a session's video file into RAM as well, or is that just for audio? In general though, lots of RAM is a good way to (somewhat) future-proof your rig. It can help out in certain apps too, like video edit pgms or opening a million browser tabs etc. If you're planning to spend 4-5K on a laptop, you might as well get more RAM.
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NI Kontakt has that setting in the preferences for the app. Not sure about others, but I dare say it would be somewhere in the setup/prefs menu.
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If I were ordering one of these new laptops I'd personally spring for 32. |
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