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Ok. So you want to spend $4000 on the Trinnov because it does tuning automatically instead of hiring someone to come tune your room properly for Dolby Atmos? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me but it’s your $$$
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1-If you don´t have the Trinnov and like others have said, you could do speaker optimization vs your acoustics in DADMan, provided you hire somebody that does know how to properly measure a room and calibrate things. Yes, the Trinnov is a wonderful device with it´s "auto" calibration features, but it will cost you a lot and you´re going to pay and waste features on DADMan on all your options. Also, there is a new model called Nova that replaces the MC Dante. There´s also other options on the market for auto calibration that works with any speaker brand (well, almost), for instance Sonarworks and IK Multimedia´s ARC. Sonarwaorks now integrates into the DSP of some speaker brands/models, so check on their site. Another option is to buy speakers from a manufacturer that provides their ownspeaker calibration and DSP on their speakers, like Genelec, Neumann etc. 2-Regarding DAB, AUX I/O and Hybrid Mode, the later only applies if you have HDX, the former two can be used without problems on Core Audio only systems like your Option 2, although I´ve already mentioned that you should be using DAB as PT Playback engine to feed the Dolby Renderer (when installed on the same machine), that´s the recommended procedure. You only use HDX as Playback engine when running PT in Hybrid Mode and create an AUX I/O Output in DAB form, to feed the Renderer while simultaneously use HDX to use the DSP from the HDX card and run AAX DSP plugins on it. 3-Having a Trilevel generator (for 4K video) is only useful if your video card has that connection. The cheaper models from BM or AJA don´t have that. 4-Regarding Talkback from the D Command, you´ll need some sort of analogue to digital converter to feed it into DAD Core, so it´s gonna cost you, just for one mono out. The cheapest will be ADAT, but nevertheless a bit pricey and nonsense for what it is. I would run an analogue cable from the TB out in X-MON into one of the analogue inputs of the Focusrite XP2 instead (if you still evaluating buying that of course. To conclude, check the money you have for the investment, think about what you can do and try to simplify things. Buy things that can have a future upgrade. Considering what you have already mentioned that you have at the moment, I would definitely go for my suggestion of having the MTRX Studio with the Thunderbolt option card has the center piece of your setup (going Core Audio at first and save some money until you think you need an HDX card), forget the Trinnov for now and invest that money in either another calibration software, a speaker manufacturer that provides that or hire an acoustician. That´s my thoughts. All the best.
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2. I’m trying to figure out how/if the AUX I/O affects timing when using it as the output for the DAB, in the case of Option #1 (HDX/MTRX Studio). The output from the DAB would be HDXHybrid Engine, so it’s only if the input through Aux I/O causes sync issues? 3. I already have a sync generator and will get either the BM Ultrastudio HD mini or 4K mini, both of which have BB/Tri-Sync ref input. 4. I might be able to use an analogue input on the BM video card for talkback. If not, then I’ll probably have to run an analogue cable from the D-Control X-Mon d-sub (break-out from the Trinnov) to the Focusrite in the case of Option #2. I have carefully considered other options, including options like the Genelec Ones for example. My question at this point is just about sync accuracy: If the Aux I/O output to the Dolby Audio Bridge causes timing issues when using the Hybrid Engine? If so, then that would rule out Option #1 as tight, frame edge sync is its main benefit (to me). Thanks again for your reply, G |
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But if you don´t need or have HDX, you just set PT playback engine to DAB, feed the Renderer from there and output from the Renderer in core audio or Dante to your interface, be it the DAD Core or the MTRX Studio. Yes, it has a latency, because the signal goes to the Renderer, gets processed and comes back as live re-renders or Physical output 7.1.4 in your case, goes to the DADMan and then to whatever monitoring system you have. And yes, the Trinnov will also introduce latency as do the Genelec GLM system, as do your video display or projector.... I freelance in a studio with a 7.1.4 setup with Genelec´s the Ones as LCR and other models for surrounds and heights and GLM, all connected via AES, HDX in Hybrid mode and DAB feeding the Renderer with AUX I/O. Pretty happy with it. No Sync HD or Sync X. Not saying that it wouldn´t be nice to have, but very costly. So far so good, no complaints.
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However, I’ve run PT in post without a Sync HD and the sync isn’t too bad, usually less than half a frame in my experience, which I could maybe live. The added sync variability would make me nervous though. Your experience indicates still isn’t a problem, even without frame edge sync and added variability of the DAB fed through the Aux I/O. It would be very helpful to have some idea of the amount of variability with the DAB through Aux I/O. If it’s just a few milliseconds then there’s still a benefit of frame edge sync. G |
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Latency and Clocking With Aux I/O
Pro Tools users will no longer have to compromise their Playback Engine’s performance by creating Aggregate Audio Devices to incorporate additional hardware, though it should be said that there is no delay compensation on an Aux I/O and additional latency will be introduced on the Aux I/O, though in practice this is minimal, dependant on buffer settings. The Playback Engine offers reliable performance with delay compensation and, depending on the particular playback engine, low or negligible latency. Aux I/O doesn’t inherit these characteristics and should be seen as complementary to your Playback engine. Latency might vary between passes and it even has its own Ignore Errors During Playback Setting. Reported performance is apparently very good but it’s important to understand the difference between the Playback Engine I/O and Aux I/O. Clocking and preventing drift can be achieved for interfaces using conventional clocking if available but for virtual devices this isn’t possible. The Pro Tools Audio Bridge virtual devices which come preinstalled have a built in clocking mechanism which custom virtual devices don’t have so these should be used where possible. https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/ar...sked-Questions |
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