Missing plugins with new 2023.3 version

[Virage Sonore]

Hello everyone,
we just upgraded to 2023.3 and almost every third party plugins are now missing. (Mac mini M1, Mac OS 13.2.1)
We can't find : Waves, iZotope, Arturia, most Native Instrument (except Guitar Rig, somehow???)...
Weirdly, the soundtoys are there and running ?! (and also guitar rig)

Yes, I restarted my computer. Yes, I updated my plugins.
Anybody got a solution ?

Thanks !

[Eric Lambert]

PT now loads the Silicon version by default so what's probably happening is you've opened PT and all those plugins are not yet Silicon ready so they're absent from the list. Get Info on the ProTools app, select Open In Rosetta, open PT and you should see all those plugins again.

[friendlybunny]

I'm having the same problem. I tried to install only 64 bit plugins.

What makes plugins compatible with silicon?

I have a huge list of plugins that won't open, but they are checked as x64 with pro tools prefs 2.

Avid pro plugins like pro compressor aren't compatible?

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by friendlybunny

I'm having the same problem. I tried to install only 64 bit plugins.

What makes plugins compatible with silicon?

I have a huge list of plugins that won't open, but they are checked as x64 with pro tools prefs 2.

Avid pro plugins like pro compressor aren't compatible?

64-bits has nothing to do with it. Use Pete Gates PT Prefs 2 Utility and see if the plugins are Universal or Intel/x86 only or not. If they are not showing up in Pro Tools when it's run as Apple silicon native then the plugins are likely just not universal. And you need to go see if the plugin vendors have updates that are. And if that does not work for you then reset Pro Tools to run under Rosetta. There is nothing unexpected here.

You folks really need to get on your game, this stuff has been discussed to death here in many hundreds of posts over the last months, with lots of other users updating info on plugin support.

[friendlybunny]

Originally Posted by Darryl Ramm

64-bits has nothing to do with it. Use Pete Gates PT Prefs 2 Utility and see if the plugins are Universal or Intel/x86 only or not. If they are not showing up in Pro Tools when it's run as Apple silicon native then the plugins are likely just not universal. And you need to go see if the plugin vendors have updates that are. And if that does not work for you then reset Pro Tools to run under Rosetta. There is nothing unexpected here.

You folks really need to get on your game, this stuff has been discussed to death here in many hundreds of posts over the last months, with lots of other users updating info on plugin support.

Sorry Darryl. I will try to get on my game better for you.

[Darryl Ramm]

Well hop to it.

Sorry seemed harsher than intended, for your and other folks sanity I really wanted you to use and trust what PT Prefs 2 was showing you (I had asked Pete to put back the plugin info stuff in PT Prefs and so glad he did). Many other things, marketing speak from vendors etc, can be a frustrating/confusing mess.

Avid official native plugin status info is here: https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/ar...-Compatibility

There has been lots of discussions on DUC about past updates to that that table, past errors in it etc. so if stuff there seems wrong or missing try searching DUC.

If needed the detail on AAX native plugin status can be found with a google search with site:duc.avid.com qualifier or looking at a couple of master threads here on all this https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=415770 and https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=422724

[maxcarola]

Yes. If it's not universal it does not work.

The real problem here is that if you erase the preference in PT then you have to go through the suffering procedure to deinstall all and feed the plugins in small chunks to make it work.
Such a pro beast and still there is no serious plugin management utility for people like me with 800 third parties plugins.
Quite annoying.

So I will have to wait a lot longer to get back all my plugins in silicon mode.

[BScout]

Originally Posted by djohnson223

I installed Plugin Alliance Native M1 products only and a lot are not showing up unless I run PT in Rosetta.

Plugin Alliance has "Native M1" and it has "AAX Native M1"
You will find that you don't actually have AAX Native M1 (it's in the fine print on Plugin Alliance: all formats BUT AAX)

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by djohnson223

I installed Plugin Alliance Native M1 products only and a lot are not showing up unless I run PT in Rosetta.

And if plugins don't show up when not run under Rosetta then they are likely *not* Apple silicon native. It's real simple.

Plugin Alliance have no AAX native apple silicon plugins, you are confusing yourself with Plugin Alliance other plugin types being Apple Silicon native. All been discussed to death... but yes Plugin Alliance sure help by not making this obvious.

Again, did you use PT Prefs 2 to actually see if the plugins you have installed are universal? Did you search DUC for all the recent posts on this?

Again, you folks really need to get on your game, this stuff has been discussed to death here in many hundreds of posts over the last months, with lots of other users updating info on plugin support.

[massivekerry]

Originally Posted by djohnson223

I installed Plugin Alliance Native M1 products only and a lot are not showing up unless I run PT in Rosetta.

Be extra careful with those. PA has not announced that the plugs they supply are AAX Silicon Native. Using the PA Installation Manager, even if you select only M1 products, and AAX, when you mouse over each product, you'll see a "Available Formats" under the picture that displays on the right side, and a majority of them say ("M1 excl. AAX"). I'm hoping for next week, but who knows?

ref screenshot attached.