Control|24 and ProControl with Pro Tools 11?

[x9blade]

Originally Posted by louieshowers

Stockholders want their company to make intelligent decisions that will ensure profitability, longevity, whilst building a solid repore with customers. This all makes said company an attractive and lucrative investment option. How does negative reinforcement of an already checkered reputation give shareholders what they expect and desire?

It's long overdue that Avid proves that it is investing in customer service.

Hear,hear

[markus44uk]

How in the world does Avid expect people to buy a new controller for what will probably be at least in the $8-12k range when they KNOW that it is just a matter of time and Avid whim as to when they will make that obsolete as well.

With all the drifting off-topic in this thread, the single most important point that should be the ONLY focus is that the Control 24 is nothing more than a multi-function MOUSE! That's it. Not rocket science. Not a Neve, not a Neuman or a Telefunken...just a mouse....something that sends instructions over an Ethernet cable. There is no reason for it to be rendered obsolete...other than a business decision (and a pretty poor one at that) to CHOOSE not to allow customers to continue to use it and take advantage of software upgrades. So be it.

Driver control for a Mouse is NOT a huge technology build. The original mouse designed by Xerox 30 years ago STILL works perfectly well on a new Mac, an old Mac, a new PC or an old PC. Its simply a matter of porting the driver to new software...which contrary to most of the misinformation in this thread is NOT a big deal.

Having a third party write the driver for the Control 24 and Pro Control units would NOT be legal cause for Avid to sue anyone. They would have absolutely no legal basis for litigation. There is no law against writing software that enables one to use a piece of hardware...ESPECIALLY a piece of hardware that is no longer supported by the manufacturer.

And there is no law prohibiting the author of said software driver from charging a price to provide that software to anyone who wants to pay for it. That is an undisputable fact. I checked with two attorneys I know who specialise in this sort of thing.

That's all there is to it.

In the end, there won't be a driver from Avid because there simply aren't enough votes for it. There would need to be thousands of votes for this for even a slight chance of Avid changing its mind. And even if there were thousands of votes, I don't expect Avid to change its mind. There's obviously something in the works that Avid hopes will replace the control surfaces...so be it.

Move on, stay with PT 10 or don't. I'll stay with my working system and hope someone writes a working driver for my Control 24. If not, so be it. My system works perfectly fine as it is.

I most certainly WON'T be upgrading anymore and most certainly will NEVER purchase another piece of Avid hardware.

So be it.

[bcwiz]

Originally Posted by Bruce Paine

I wasn't there at the dealer demo, but it is my understanding that the "quote" was taken out of context, as in the sales rep, in answer to a question about how long something like that would take, said something like "If it took 4 people a year and a half, would it be worth it to you for them to do that rather than working on new improvements to Pro Tools?".

Now that is not an exact quote, but I believe it was said as a highly exaggerated hypothetical question, not as a statement of fact by any means. Unfortunately that exaggerated hypothetical is making the rounds as some kind of official statement, which is not true and would be absurd.

As you were, just wanted to clarify that since I keep seeing it posted.

Still begs the question, what exactly would it take to get these personality files available for 64 bit PT? Facts please.

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by louieshowers

Total hypothetical example and not directed at anyone:

Your spouse tells you that he/she will be leaving town permanently in a week's time.

Well according to some arguments presented here, because prior declaration was given, you should completely accept being abandoned.

Just because someone tells you that something crappy is going to happen in a given period of time, does not diminish the crappyness of it when it happens.

Good analogy - good point

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by louieshowers

Stockholders want their company to make intelligent decisions that will ensure profitability, longevity, whilst building a solid repore with customers. This all makes said company an attractive and lucrative investment option. How does negative reinforcement of an already checkered reputation give shareholders what they expect and desire?

And another good point

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by markus44uk

The original mouse designed by Xerox 30 years ago STILL works

Really I did not know that

Originally Posted by markus44uk

would NOT be legal cause for Avid to sue anyone.

Doesn't mean they won't try !! Correct ? I think so

Originally Posted by markus44uk

And there is no law prohibiting the author of said software driver from charging a price to provide that software to anyone who wants to pay for it.
That's all there is to it.

Heck yeah - they will make a bundle

Originally Posted by markus44uk

In the end, there won't be a driver from Avid because there simply aren't enough votes for it.

Correct there will jot be an Avid driver but not b/c of the votes - I just don't think they wanna (or can if you will) do it

Originally Posted by markus44uk

and most certainly will NEVER purchase another piece of Avid hardware.

I think that is the takeaway - you want long term viability - go with a 3rd party


Great post

[WKG]

Originally Posted by louieshowers

That's the beauty of analogies.

Another example :

"As of (insert date) there will no smoking permitted in any Boston club, bar or restaurant. "

Do you think that prior notification helped ease any of these establishment owners when they inevitably lost money?

I love how not one analogy is ever accepted by anyone who disagrees with the argument.

Losing money is not an inevitability, it is a choice and consequence of proper business planning and execution.

Given the fact that after the final sales date they would have had the advance courtesy notice of a 5 year support grace period to plan & adjust accordingly I would expect them to continue on and have happy, profitable and healthier lives.

If they chose to ignore it and do nothing hoping for something contrary to the concise information provided 5 years prior I would expect them to be disappointed. The loss of money would be more a direct result of ignoring known facts and doing nothing until the last minute.

For the record I think if it is possible Avid should provide a driver, or at the least a means to continue functionality.

[louieshowers]

Originally Posted by WKG

Losing money is not an inevitability, it is a choice and consequence of proper business planning and execution.

Given the fact that after the final sales date they would have had the advance courtesy notice of a 5 year support grace period to plan & adjust accordingly I would expect them to continue on and have happy, profitable and healthier lives.

If they chose to ignore it and do nothing hoping for something contrary to the concise information provided 5 years prior I would expect them to be disappointed. The loss of money would be more a direct result of ignoring known facts and doing nothing until the last minute.

For the record I think if it is possible Avid should provide a driver, or at the least a means to continue functionality.

Then why are you chiming in to justify Avid's actions and blame these people for being negligent ? what is your goal?

[WKG]

Originally Posted by louieshowers

Then why are you chiming in to justify Avid's actions and blame these people for being negligent ? what is your goal?

I am not justifying Avid. It's simple common sense.

I did not accuse anyone of being negligent however I certainly would consider myself so if I chose to ignore a 5 year advance notice after the last sale date of the impending support cessation of a rather expensive product I purchased.

I probably would have unloaded that thing as soon as it was announced.

[louieshowers]

Originally Posted by WKG

I am not justifying Avid. It's simple common sense.

I did not accuse anyone of being negligent however I certainly would consider myself so if I chose to ignore a 5 year advance notice after the last sale date of the impending support cessation of a rather expensive product I purchased.

I probably would have unloaded that thing as soon as it was announced.

Wow.. very creative way of voicing your opinions .. are you a politician?