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Old 04-07-2008, 03:17 AM
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hi all, the other night i was talking to a young film maker.., he was saying he needed an ADR for a movie he is doing. It was an EXT scene and he tried the ADR in a room; he didn't get the sound that he wanted which was an 'EXT' sound (???.

He claimed all ADR which is done for an EXT scene should b done out doors in the actual environment. i didnt disagree at the time but i sure thought differently.

my take on it is the dialogue is {usually.., 99% of the time} the most important element, and an ADR should be done in a sound proof room and built up with atmos and manipulated with frequency.

what he called an ADR i call 'wild sound.'

am i wrong??

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Old 04-07-2008, 04:45 AM
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He claimed all ADR which is done for an EXT scene should b done out doors in the actual environment. i didnt disagree at the time but i sure thought differently.

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my take on it is the dialogue is {usually.., 99% of the time} the most important element, and an ADR should be done in a sound proof room and built up with atmos and manipulated with frequency.


ADR should be done in a room with "no early" reflections, bigger room are better.

You want a clean direct sound without any reflections.

If you have a smaller room:
Try filling your room with absorbing materials to get the sound as dry as possible.

To record outside is not a good idea, the wind, B.g.s etc varies to much to get a good result.

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Old 04-07-2008, 06:43 AM
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1. Good room (as mentioned above)
2. Nice set of mics placed properly
3. Preamps without coloration
4. Right supervision and accurate actors' performance
5. Lots of edits, adding original room/ambient tone
6. Good and believable background and foley tracks
7. The art of mixing

From my experience, it is much easier to achieve a good result in a Adr room, than in exterior recording, where you cannot control all things, but again there is a need to follow all 7 points written above.

Hope this helps

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Old 04-07-2008, 06:34 PM
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thanks to all that answered.., very clear and informative answers and have confirmed my own thoughts

many thanks

sincerely

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Old 04-09-2008, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: ADR ??? where??

I have to strongly support Kuba's excellent points, having had previously done nothing BUT ADR all day long; especially points 4 and 7.

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1. Good room (as mentioned above)
2. Nice set of mics placed properly
3. Preamps without coloration
4. Right supervision and accurate actors' performance
5. Lots of edits, adding original room/ambient tone
6. Good and believable background and foley tracks
7. The art of mixing

Kuba
p.s. depending on the budget of the show, remember, it is often our job to make the ADR sound as BAD as the location sound to get it to fit. I've had to be pretty 'brutal' in my processing/recording technique from time to time.

And always remember, there are usually two mics, right? Boom and lav/clip/lapel. Try both in the ADR recording. But yes...performance...SO important.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:16 PM
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yes, seamless edit from location to ADR is the goal.., no matter what the condition

i think a lot of this has to do with as mentioned 'the art of mixing.' because our ears are trained to hear what others take for granted.

I'll remember the lapel mike.., do you mean take it to the location?? because i wouldn't have thought of using one instead of a mike in a control room situation??
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:47 AM
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Perhaps this is obvious, but well mixed adred dialog should sound just like a good production dialog, not so clean, with believable "movement" inside it... Eq curves and compressor settings are pretty often really crazy, but it does not matter, if it makes adr being well matched with prod dialog.
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Old 04-10-2008, 05:48 AM
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That is the art - it isn't easy. A mark of a good dialogue mixer.
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Old 04-10-2008, 06:28 AM
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concerning to the poster´s question - it would be great if someone would share any experiences with using impulse responses from shooting locations for adr. for the next short i will try recording some IR´s and will later experiment with that in the post.
if anybody is already experienced in working with IR´s - any shares would be much appreciated.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:40 PM
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for exterior scenes, just think about how it would sound in real life.....

I mix a lot of ADR on both episodics and features. For international mixes, it's pure ADR.

I have all dx go into a dx bus with compressor(s). When i get to outdoor scenes, I compress much less and automate the eq to reduce both low end (proximity) and top end (the naturally decaying frequencies) in air and space.

many or most times, ambience goes unused altogether if eq'ed and (not) compressed properly...well at least for my tastes.
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