Group Bin starting to creak from old age...

[Rich Breen]

I don't know about anybody else, but the Group facilities in Pro Tools are feeling increasingly creaky. I'm dealing with 400-500 track sessions with orchestra/band/rhythm section/vocalists/percussion/etc, and I *really really* need a few things:

Ability to lasso multiple groups in the group bin and drag them up or down in the bin to re-arrange (like you can do with tracks in the track bin): when you've got 75 groups, and you add another orchestra pass (which needs its own set of say 20 additional sub-groups, trying to re-arrange those in the group bin so things are still clear is extremely time consuming since you can only move groups in the bin one...at...a...time. Also, the ability to nest groups the way you can nest tracks would be sensible.

Need to be able to detach the group palette (and the track palette for that matter) from the main window: When you start having a lot of tracks and a lot of groups, they increasingly crowd each other out for real-estate in the edit window and I'm having to constantly move the track/group bin divider up and down in order to see a decent amount of my groups or my tracks.

Ability to re-assign group 'keys' (the alphabetical assignment that a group gets) without having to destroy and re-create the group. For those of us who use Group Keyboard Focus as a quick way to enable / disable specific groups, this is critical since you can only access Groups this way in the first 26 single-key assignments.

I can't imagine I'm the only one who is finding this to be a real problem.

[originalscottyg]

+1million. I'd also suggest the ability to drag tracks onto a group to add those tracks to a group, and to drag with a key command (option maybe) to remove tracks from a group.

[Eric Lambert]

Great suggestions, Rich. And I like the drag/drop option too, Scott.

[Tweakhead]

+1.
As a workaround I often make a Window Config with the Groups area enlarged as much as possible, and another to get back to where I was.
Of course that doesn't solve the other basic operational problems as mentioned.

[albee1952]

Hmmm, if you're not using folder tracks, you should check that out as it might help

[Rich Breen]

Originally Posted by albee1952

Hmmm, if you're not using folder tracks, you should check that out as it might help

Of course using folder tracks - Groups have a very different function.

[jamesa5454]

All great suggestions - and whilst on the topic of groups - WE NEED MORE OF THEM!!!

It's really awesome that we have 2048 tracks in PT now - well done Avid. But only having a maximum of 104 groups to manage those 2048 tracks?

Let's make the group features as awesome as the track count 🤙

[falcowe]

+1 here as well. While I don’t use that many groups, I can certainly see the benefit of these suggest group improvements.

[DontLetMeDrown]

Great suggestions. Always thought it was stupid that I can’t reassign a group’s letter without deleting and recreating.

[capt kirk]

it would be nice to have folders in that clip bin too, but thats for 2032.6