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Moving to ProTools HD, Have ?\'s
I am looking into moving to a ProTools HD system from Logic. I have a couple questions. Digi says you can run 32 I/O with one HD card, can I hook up my 3 Rossetta 800's with one HD card? I was told thay there is a limit of 2 Rosettas per Core Card.
Will native plugins run without problems and be latency free in the TDM system? Does the UAD1 work in TDM? Thanks
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Yes, - native in PT is called RTAS, - so as long as you native plugs got a RTAS version no prob.. - as with all native plugs they will introduce latency, - in most cases not much tho.. Yes, - UAD-1 works with PT HD Cheers |
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Re: Moving to ProTools HD, Have ?\'s
The limit of 2 interfaces is only with digi interfaces which are 16 channel interface.
According to apogeedigital.com, you can use 32 channems of I/O on each protools card, meaning 2 digi interfaces, or 4 rosetta 800's Thats what it says on apogee's web site. In the I/O setup, the 32 ins/outs show up as 2 16 channel digi 192 interfaces. again, check with the manufacturer www.apogeedigital.com tp www.thomaspmusic.com |
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Re: Moving to ProTools HD, Have ?\'s
Chuck, I just moved from PTLE to a HD1 accel sys.
I thought that I would have had all the power of my macpro plus the power of the DSP in the core card. But when I opened my LE sessions in the HD sys I ve had a surprise. Right, you can still use the rtas on every channels like native systems but when using rtas on aux and master channels the sys eats two voices per mono channel and if you assign only one chip to the voicing allocation you will have only 48 tracks and by doing in this way these 48 tracks could quickly become less than the 32 tracks that I had on the LE. Plus, you will have the latency issue more than 2xHW buffer setting because of the streaming tdm/cpu/tdm. Therefore you can easily incur in more than 500 sample of latency on these aux channel, assuming the you are working with a HW buffer set to 256 samples. You can use ADC but it eats more dsp resources. Therefore you must use tdm plugs on these kind of tracks but the power of the old motorola DSP is ridicolous compared to the power of the CPUs that you find on new computers. I had a session on my LE sys with four TL Space instances, with the HD1 I have had to replace these beautiful rev with Revibes because my one card system based was unable to open them in tdm format. Yesterday I ve tried to check how many instances of TL Space my system is able to open in rtas format. They have been 20, but unfortunately in rtas they are unseful unless you use them on individual tracks. Take in mind that my core card is accel because is PCIe, I don t know which mac you have but if you have a PCI mac you have to install a no accel core with more limitation.
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Wow, this is mind-boggling. It seems like it's all or nothing. How can anyone make a reasonable decision anymore? Can a guy just have the advantages of lesser expensive RTAS plugs with an HD system without having to buy an HD3? I would like ADC, Zero Latency Recording, and RTAS until the cows come home. I don't want to have to pay double on HD Plugs when there are RTAS equivalent plugs. It's very disappointing that Chuck is having problems with his Symphony Rig and Logic.
Considering I don't have a commercial studio, I can't see buying and HD system and all HD Plugs, that's a double whammy, when my MacPro has more power than any HD system I can put in my MacPro. Curious, what is the threshold where you can have TDM Plugs and RTAS Plugs at the same time, while tracking, with Full ADC, and Zero Latency? Obviously it is not an HD1 Accell. Is it and HD2 Accell or do you need an HD3 Accell?
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Yeah, I moved from native to HD1 and found this out the hard way, although you can simply go to the playback engine and tell it to give you 96 voices and that helps a ton. Still, I'm saving for HD2, which I think will probably be fine for me. I'm usually fine with HD1, but there are pop mixes where a lot is going on where I am finding more and more that I want a bit more power.... TH |
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Re: Moving to ProTools HD, Have ?\'s
an used mix3 has more power than an HD1. SAve $$$ and go at least to an HD2 Accel. That is what I will be probably doing soon.
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Re: Moving to ProTools HD, Have ?\'s
Barry, I started out with an HD1 and soon saw that an Accel card was needed for the reasons you state, especially if you want to track at >48k. I bought a used Accel card, and now feel comfortable even doing things at 88.2. However, I don't use 3-4 plugins on every track; I might not use more than 10-20 plugins total on most songs. My default setup uses 64 voices, so I have enough room for 24-32 tracks plus busses and sends. I'm not in front of my machine but I think that takes up 2 core card chips and 2 Accel chips at 24/88.2, which gives me a decent number left over for plugins (after the delay engine, etc.) since I don't use huge numbers of TDM plugs. I use a combination of TDM, UAD and RTAS plugins and they seem to play together just fine. Whether you would need an HD3 would really depend upon what sampling rates you intend to use, how many tracks, and how many plugins.
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