My Pro Tools 10 Yosemite experience

[PaulMac]

Hey guys.
I thought I'd share my experience of getting Pro Tools 10 to work and not work with Yosemite as it might encourage others to do as I'm doing after a few painful weeks.

Firstly, I think the only way to get Tools to install is through changing the OS X number on terminal which is easy enough. Changing it back proved a little more difficult for me but I edited the text file back to state "10.10" on another computer as none of my Apple applications would open and transferred it over.
Easy enough.
"Great - I can use my VST>RTAS wrapper and 32 bit plug-ins now" I thought. The only downfall seemed to be the inserts/busses/plugins list.
I then started to run into real difficulty. Sessions would crash with a "Segment Fault in Main Thread at address 0x0" error on certain sessions. Even opening backups would create the same error. Shift-clicking to open without plug-ins would clear the error but then the plug-ins wouldn't reactivate. None of them would, so I'd have to reinstate every plug-in on every channel one by one and adjust the settings. This happened on one of every ten sessions.

Then the thread count error occurred when zooming in and out of the edit window. It was really starting to bug me.

When I tried to look for a fix I didn't find one whatsoever. It's apparently just because the OS is incompatible and because of this I couldn't take it up with Avid. Then Steven Slate Trigger and Trigger 2 would both freeze over the window when closed and the only workaround was dragging them to the bottom of the screen to freeze there when closing them, so they'd freeze there and not over the mix window. But then the next few plug-ins I'd open after Trigger would also freeze, so I'd have to drag them away from the screen to close them too. Annoying, right?

I tried to continue on 10 since I discovered a graphics fix for the glitchy plugins list graphics and it seemed that my workflow was back on track. But now since buying the Steven Slate plug-ins, which initially wouldn't load until I'd freshly installed them a couple of times I really really can't use Tools 10 on Yosemite. I started mixing for hours, mainly using the new plug-ins on one session. They froze on the screen as Trigger does so I restarted Tools and opened the session. And I'm one again receiving the main thread 0x0 error.

Other errors occasionally include:
Could not create a document as there is not enough memory (-108)
Error #-5000 while verifying your authorization - Unknown error

I've changed disk permissions, reinstalled PACE and my iloks and plugins are working fine with Pro Tools 12.

Now I'd really not recommend anyone tried 10 on Yosemite. I'm an hour away from begging Apple for a version of OS X 10.8.5 that might work with the firmware of my Macbook and Pro Tools 10 free of bugs.

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by PaulMac

I'm an hour away from begging Apple for an App Store version of Mavericks to dual boot and run Pro Tools 10 free of bugs.

Do NOT go through the App Store but call Apple Customer Support USA 1-800-275-2273 and tell them you need to purchase a copy of an old OSX version. Something to keep in mind is that if the computer you have Yosemite on originally came with Yosemite you may not be able to backdate to an earlier OSX version.

If you are able to do so remember to never use Migration Assassin (aka Assisstant) to move apps over but to re-install everything. And as always have a backup before you do anything.

[Eric Lambert]

I'm not sure which computers might not allow reverting backward but I've been able to successfully install Mavericks on machines that shipped with Yosemite, and I know of a few others who have, too. I don't doubt that some machines wouldn't like this (though I suspect that they could be convinced to take the older OS) but I've not run into such a case personally. I guess you'd want to verify that in advance.

I know that I won't be trying to use PT10 with Yosemite. The GUI bug is annoying, and it (sort of) has a workaround, but the fader bug is a showstopper.

[PaulMac]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

I'm not sure which computers might not allow reverting backward but I've been able to successfully install Mavericks on machines that shipped with Yosemite, and I know of a few others who have, too. I don't doubt that some machines wouldn't like this (though I suspect that they could be convinced to take the older OS) but I've not run into such a case personally. I guess you'd want to verify that in advance.

I know that I won't be trying to use PT10 with Yosemite. The GUI bug is annoying, and it (sort of) has a workaround, but the fader bug is a showstopper.

I thankfully never experienced the fader bug, otherwise I'd have likely given up on it sooner.

Apparently Tools 10 won't work with Mavericks in the same way it wont work with Yosemite so I was opting for Mountain Lion. Mountain Lion wouldn't work with the firmware/drivers on my Macbook according to Apple but I'm going to try it on a partition today. It's either that or not have a few of my go-to plugins and just use Tools 11 or 12 on Yosemite.

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

I'm not sure which computers might not allow reverting backward but I've been able to successfully install Mavericks on machines that shipped with Yosemite, and I know of a few others who have, too. I don't doubt that some machines wouldn't like this (though I suspect that they could be convinced to take the older OS) but I've not run into such a case personally. I guess you'd want to verify that in advance.

I know that I won't be trying to use PT10 with Yosemite. The GUI bug is annoying, and it (sort of) has a workaround, but the fader bug is a showstopper.

From what I've read it's something in the efi that blocks reverting to an earlier OSX version than what was installed from the factory. And I'm not talking about the latest security efi update either.

[eesn]

Originally Posted by musicman691

From what I've read it's something in the efi that blocks reverting to an earlier OSX version than what was installed from the factory. And I'm not talking about the latest security efi update either.

Earlier OSX versions literally cannot support newer CPUs or chipsets - lots to do with system timing, power-saving features, and the older kernel extensions making all sorts of assumptions, a lot about graphics drivers (and where graphics memory lives), or just new devices having different hardware id-s so they don't match the lists provided by Apple.

Didn't the Hackintosh community specialise in tricking OSX to install regardless of whatever it thinks would happen? I'd ask around..

Speaking of OSX, Pro Tools 10 works just fine on OSX 10.9. OSX 10.9 is bearable and still gets updates.

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by eesn

Earlier OSX versions literally cannot support newer CPUs or chipsets - lots to do with system timing, power-saving features, and the older kernel extensions making all sorts of assumptions, a lot about graphics drivers (and where graphics memory lives), or just new devices having different hardware id-s so they don't match the lists provided by Apple.

Didn't the Hackintosh community specialise in tricking OSX to install regardless of whatever it thinks would happen? I'd ask around..

Speaking of OSX, Pro Tools 10 works just fine on OSX 10.9. OSX 10.9 is bearable and still gets updates.

The last updates to OSX 10.9 were the efi security update, Safari and iTunes IIRC. It's still at OSX 10.9.5

[eesn]

Originally Posted by musicman691

The last updates to OSX 10.9 were the efi security update, Safari and iTunes IIRC. It's still at OSX 10.9.5

Updates, not upgrades. Safari 9 was published on 30 Sept 2015, Security Update 2015-006 was published on 13 Aug 2015 and applies to OSX 10.8, 10.9, 10.10. It won't ever go to 10.9.6 if you're expecting upgrades. The updates are meant to address security issues.

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by eesn

Updates, not upgrades. Safari 9 was published on 30 Sept 2015, Security Update 2015-006 was published on 13 Aug 2015 and applies to OSX 10.8, 10.9, 10.10. It won't ever go to 10.9.6 if you're expecting upgrades. The updates are meant to address security issues.

I never said upgrades and I understand the difference between the two. I just stated for the record that Mavericks was at 10.9.5, that's all.