Mixing monitors on the S3L

[Karel Noon]

Hey guys,

Next week I will be working a festival doing monitors on my S3L and I really am looking forward to it.
There will be some neat networking involved to get a Klangfabrik and its 3D monitoring system connected to the Avid and there will be a lot of wedges on stage.

So except for the obvious things like "Auto Flip to fader" when soloing, what other workflow hints so you use especially with the S3 on Monitors?

Is there a way to get a cue wedge fader? I have a workaround, but a fader is nice though...

There used to be a YouTube vid with someone showing some monitor mix tricks but I can't find it anymore.

I appreciate your help, and I will let you know how it went :)

[Valentyn]

A bit offtopic, but how do you find Klang monitoring?

[Karel Noon]

It is an Amazing invetion, the musicians relay love it, althought they might not even know why.

there are some practical things where you can see that it stil is very early in the development and where the limits are:

-when you pan a voice to en extreme position you can clearly hear artefacts from the prcessing, but who wants a voice that far out....
-the limited number of inputs (32) is a little annoying since bands are used to high channel counts, but i can work around that with stems
-the front panel interface is a little slow, the app works great
-it is Dante and not AVB so i need a lot of patching and converting to get from my S3L to the Klangfabrik

so yeah, if you want in ear, definetly give klang a try, its not even that expensive compared to others like aviom.

[Karel Noon]

back to topic:

how do you guys arange for a cue wedge Fader?

i have two workarounds but i hope to find a better one:

a: just patching my monitor out to a headphone amp, and from there to my wedge, that way i have a hardware pot and a mute switch.

b: patching my monitor out to a plugin slot with "trim", from there back to an unused chanel and from there to a matrix out with only that chanel, than i can use the Matrix Fader for my wedge.

is there a better and more straightforward option that i am missing?

[Brent Lind]

I don't really know the S3L very well, but what many of us do on the Profile to deal with this issue is as follows:

Route Monitor L/R output to AES1/2.

Connect a jumper cable between AES1/2 in and out.

Patch an unused stereo channel or FX return to AES1/2.
(keep EQ/HPF off, everything flat, and 0dB)

Now route that channel to L/R. Nothing else should be sent to that bus.

Now assign L/R to a pair of Matrices. The output of those feeds your IEMs.

Also assign L to a mono matrix output. This feeds your cue wedge. You can put a mute group button on it to silence the wedge when listening to IEMs.

Your master fader will now control your Cue level to both IEM and wedge.

As a bonus, you can put assign things like talkbacks to the "user" channels and patch them into your PFL bus post fader, so no matter what you are doing you will hear them.

Its possible this may not work on an S3L, but from what I've seen I'd guess you can do it.

[fredrikzon]

Hi. If you go your way Brent and then make the master fader "locked" in each bank the fader goes to -INF (bottom of fader position) when going into flip to faders mode. Meaning, you still can't control the cue volume when mixing monitors in flip to fader mode (This is on S3L)

Any other ideas how to get an cue volume fader on the S3L?

[Brent Lind]

That's unfortunate. I'm afraid I can't help as I've spent about 5 mins on an S3L. Hopefully someone else can chime in.