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UAD is a middle ground there. Not the fastest native performance, but solid. Go Quantum or RME if native is your focus. |
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VI’s have a much lower latency then live inputs. You don’t need to run VI’s at super low buffers (64 or lower)to not perceive latency. RME and Quantum are solid on low buffers but still not as solid as HDX/Carbon. As for UAD, if you are fine with rerouting everything through their 3rd party mixer just so you can track with no latency then cudos to you.Their workflow is horrible not even counting their lackluster DSP. I love their plug-ins but unless you have tons of their DSP chips they are not usable in a full mix. |
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Re: Question regarding both HDX and Carbon
got it. thanks for this. I always wondered if there was a difference.
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I agree Carbon and HDX aren't terrible for VIs, but if that's the focus they should be avoided, since native systems will provide superior latency for less investment. However, HDX minimum buffer at 48kHz is 64 still, IIRC, while native interfaces are 32. Taking all the above into consideration, the *absolute minimum* output latency is 4ms for Carbon, 2.5ms for HDX, 1.5ms for Apollo, and sub 1ms for Quantum. Keep in mind this whole thread is about *native* plugins for input monitor paths with Carbon/HDX vs Native interfaces. Native is built for this and performs better. If we're talking audio input monitoring then DSP would come into play and Carbon (and, to a lesser extent HDX) would prove far superior to native RTL. Last edited by Matt Hepworth; 06-10-2021 at 12:23 AM. |
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The math is simply 128 samples for buffers in (64) and out (64), plus ~20 samples for conversion, plus protocol and driver (which I haven't tried to test). Take whatever that sum is and divide it by the samplerate (48) and you get your latency in ms. For the 8ms to be correct that last number (protocol and driver) needs to be 4-5ms alone. ~5ms would seem to be correct according to what I know of 256 (256+256+20+250=782 divide by 48=16.3ms, so pretty close). Last edited by Matt Hepworth; 06-10-2021 at 12:51 AM. |
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Not me, I use Logic for VI composition and then mix in Pro Tools.
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Well, for myself I prefer to to everything from beginning to end in Protools (although I also use Ableton Live but for things impossible in Protools) and you're right VIs are not really easy inside ProTools, so I use VE Pro mostly using a second computer to host VIs. To me it's a very convenient way.
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