Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Learn & Support


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Legacy Products > 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Win)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-27-2006, 01:58 PM
Sonny in London Sonny in London is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, England
Posts: 557
Default Collaboration: Sending PT Sessions and OMF files

I am working with an artist on a project of eight original songs. The basic tracks are going to be sent to India for an artist there to work on arrangements and mixes of the songs as part of a collaboration, so I need to prepare what's being sent over.

Each track we have recorded consists of a 12-string guitar and single vocal on each song only. The guitar was tracked with a Rode mic and DI simultaneously and the vocal used the same Rode mic (tracked seperately), so three tracks in all per song.

I have done whatever processing was necessary to get a good sound during the mix (basic EQ, Dynamics and problem solving) on both guitar and vocals. I have also set up a basic mix with a couple of reverbs and a delay on three stereo Aux channels so that we can get send a rough guide mix of the basic songs over as a reference to how they're 'supposed to sound' (and so the songwriter has something to take home).

Now, I have started the process of preparing the files to be sent over and it's quite a chore! I cut my teeth in a Pro Post studio so I'm pretty meticulous in sending organised files that have all relevant data and information included, but I'd love some feedback and advice from you guys if you have any experience in this task.

They have asked for OMF files but I'm also giving them the Pro Tools sessions themselves along with the guide mixes just to be safe.

For each track I opened the session, immediately 'saved session copy in' a new folder, opened that session, consolidated the regions in each track, deleted unused playlists and deleted unused regions, vastly decreasing the folder size to send. This will be the Session folder that I will send per song, should they have access or the need to use a Pro Tools-equipped studio.

It's the OMFs that are the tricky bit. I obviously want to send the tracks dry and without any automation or sends so that they can do their thing, but I want to keep the processing I used to achieve the right sound of the individual tracks. In order to do this, (after 'saving as' under a different name) I have had to bypass all sends, turn off the automation, set the fader to unity and bus the output of the track to another audio track (stereo for the Guitar) to record it down in real time.

After I've done this for both the guitar and the vocal, I remove the original tracks and auxes and then import a stereo wav file of the full mix as a guide within the session. This session is then ready to export as an OMF and after testing it in Logic Pro 7.1 it seems to work just fine.

During the export process, I choose to 'copy from source media' so that they have the actual files to work with, but I have found that Pro Tools renames the files with rather bizarre, long names. In the session they are all neatly named but all that seems to be lost on export with these default, strange names. Does anyone know if it's alright for me to rename the exported files for their ease, or will this cause problems with the OMF file?

I plan on including a text file with all the relevant information but I'm a stickler for details.

Also, when tracking (with a click), there are usually 4 or 8 bars of silence at the beginning of the session for the artist to get set before the take. I tend to create markers for verse, chorus, middle 8 etc; for ease of navigation after the basics are all down and the song structure is there. My question is this; is there a way of selecting all regions and their automation and moving them to the beginning of the session and getting the markers to follow them there? Like locking the markers to the audio? Or is there a better way of achieving this altogether?


Thanks for reading a long post friends!


Sonny
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-27-2006, 03:46 PM
Shan's Avatar
Shan Shan is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
Posts: 13,557
Default Re: Collaboration: Sending PT Sessions and OMF fil

Save yourself some pain.

It's way easier to do and deal with. I also have a faster method on my second post in the same thread.

I'm producing a massive Bhangra track myself that will probably be sent to India for some deadly Dhol and Dholak. I just cant find good players in my area.

Shane
__________________
Pro Tools Power User Editing

Give your plug-ins a facelift...and skin 'em!
__________________

"Music should be performed by the musician, not by the engineer."

Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM

__________________

Pro Tools|HD Native 9.0.1 | Pro Tools|HDX 10.2 | Studio One | REAPER 4.22 | HD OMNI | HoboMac Pro 2.26Ghz Quad-Core | W7 Ultimate 64-bit
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-27-2006, 06:31 PM
Sonny in London Sonny in London is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, England
Posts: 557
Default Re: Collaboration: Sending PT Sessions and OMF fil

Thanks Shane, I remember that post.
It was my plan to also include the consolidated files as this provides a fool-proof backup.
Nice to know the quickest route.

As they specifically asked for the OMF files and the client wants them sent I'm going to send them anyway though. I tried renaming the files after exporting but this made the file 'lose' the audio files when trying to open it in Logic. I'll just keep them in the same folder, I guess.

Do you have any idea about my last question mate? This is something I do on almost all my sessions; give the artist a 4 or 8 bar count in before beginning the track. However, I later want to have everything start on bar 1 (ie: at the beginning of the session) but by then I've usually set my markers up and re-positioning them by hand is a tedious task.

I suppose there is the option of setting the session start to a negative number (something I admit I haven't quite successfully managed yet), but then should I want to use Melodyne at any point it will cause problems as the session start has to specifically start at 0 apparently.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-27-2006, 11:02 PM
Shan's Avatar
Shan Shan is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
Posts: 13,557
Default Re: Collaboration: Sending PT Sessions and OMF fil

Quote:
Do you have any idea about my last question mate? This is something I do on almost all my sessions; give the artist a 4 or 8 bar count in before beginning the track. However, I later want to have everything start on bar 1 (ie: at the beginning of the session) but by then I've usually set my markers up and re-positioning them by hand is a tedious task.
I cant help you that one because I have never used OMF. And something you may want to take a look at is this and this. This may be affecting what you are trying to do.

Shane
__________________
Pro Tools Power User Editing

Give your plug-ins a facelift...and skin 'em!
__________________

"Music should be performed by the musician, not by the engineer."

Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM

__________________

Pro Tools|HD Native 9.0.1 | Pro Tools|HDX 10.2 | Studio One | REAPER 4.22 | HD OMNI | HoboMac Pro 2.26Ghz Quad-Core | W7 Ultimate 64-bit
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-29-2006, 08:22 PM
Sonny in London Sonny in London is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, England
Posts: 557
Default Re: Collaboration: Sending PT Sessions and OMF fil

Yeah, sorry to hear about your troubles mate, hope there's a fix soon - if anyone deserves a swift DIGI rescue it's you.

The transfer of that project has gone well so far (managed to prune the whole thing to fit one DVD!) - it's on it's way to India now. It really got me snappy on all the shortcuts and procedures for organising and archiving my data, plus I got paid extra by the client for going to so much effort and detail. Paid for learning; I love it.

Incidentally, I still had to do a real-time render of each track in order to supply the files with the EQ and dynamic processing I had applied intact, as well as the OMF files and the PT sessions, as consolidation doesn't take this into account.

I've learned that OMF is far too unreliable to use it without a basic backup plan. I hope that AAF takes off.

By the way, the last question about markers is unrelated to the whole OMFi thing - I just thought I'd sneak another query into an already lengthy post (what can I say? I get off on professional advice ).

What I'm looking for is a way to make markers 'glue' to a region, or be able to be shifted around with it, similar to the way automation can be. I just read in another thread somewhere that it's possible to do some cutting and pasting using the marker track, but then it is 4:30 in the morning here and I may be slightly mentally disorientated at this point.

Catch you crazy kids later,

Sonny
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-29-2006, 08:25 PM
Shan's Avatar
Shan Shan is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
Posts: 13,557
Default Re: Collaboration: Sending PT Sessions and OMF fil

How did you make out with this? Any luck?

Keep me posted via email or this thread.

Shane
__________________
Pro Tools Power User Editing

Give your plug-ins a facelift...and skin 'em!
__________________

"Music should be performed by the musician, not by the engineer."

Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM

__________________

Pro Tools|HD Native 9.0.1 | Pro Tools|HDX 10.2 | Studio One | REAPER 4.22 | HD OMNI | HoboMac Pro 2.26Ghz Quad-Core | W7 Ultimate 64-bit
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Problems Sending Pro Tools Sessions Streetcurbs Pro Tools M-Powered (Mac) 4 03-15-2010 11:58 AM
Sending sessions over the net? Vinnyvenditto 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 5 05-24-2005 05:59 AM
Sending Sessions Via Email? 100grit 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Win) 13 04-12-2005 11:00 PM
Check in/out PT files for remote collaboration? rcook349 General Discussion 2 07-24-2004 06:51 AM
Sending Sessions Via kaaza? da BaSsTaRd! 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Win) 3 07-11-2003 01:58 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:04 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com