Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Learn & Support


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Legacy Products > Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-20-2003, 02:18 PM
Nicolasixxx Nicolasixxx is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 132
Default Widening Plugins

Do you guys prefer to use a widening plugin on the master bus to widen the whole mix or on a submix aux to widen specific elements in the mix (such as stereo electric guitars)?
I find putting a widener on the whole mix a bit scary.

And what widening plugin do you use? I use the Waves S1, but that's the only one I have. Anyone A/Bed the S1 against Duy wide?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-20-2003, 05:12 PM
bassmac bassmac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,754
Default Re: Widening Plugins

Waves PS22 is really great.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-21-2003, 01:23 PM
Nicolasixxx Nicolasixxx is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 132
Default Re: Widening Plugins

It's funny, I didn't even know the PS22 is part of the bundle. Do you prefer it to the S1?
And I am curious to know how people are using the widening on their mixes.
I found this the other day:

Another interesting -and more practical - application is to create mixes with broad and deep soundstages - without the out-of-phase feeling that sometimes happens when whole mixes are enhanced. To do this you need an application with multiple stereo buses - like Sonic Foundry Vegas Pro. Set up two S1s in two different buses. For the first one, start with the default settings and change these settings as a starting point: Width - 1.10, Shuffling - 1.5, Rotation - full left, Asymmetry - 20. For the other S1, use the same settings but change the Rotation to full right and Asymmetry to -20. Now, for anything in your mix that’s more than 50% panned left, route it through the first bus. Route the “right” content through the second bus. Now adjust the Rotation and Asymmetry controls to taste. You will find that the mix takes on a very three-dimensional character, yet centered sounds are completely uneffected and sound “tight” and centered.

The S1 takes a little learning, but it is certainly worth it in the long run. It is a classic example of the programmer’s motto that “flexibility requires complexity.” It took me a while to master the S1, but my mixes benefit from it. Even on conventional mixes, a little stereo enhancement and positionalizing can create a sense of dramatic realism without any sense that the music has been "processed."
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-21-2003, 01:26 PM
Nicolasixxx Nicolasixxx is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 132
Default Re: Widening Plugins

It's funny, I didn't even know the PS22 is part of the bundle. Do you prefer it to the S1?
And I am curious to know how people are using the widening on their mixes.
I found this in an S1 review the other day:

"Another interesting -and more practical - application is to create mixes with broad and deep soundstages - without the out-of-phase feeling that sometimes happens when whole mixes are enhanced. To do this you need an application with multiple stereo buses - like Sonic Foundry Vegas Pro. Set up two S1s in two different buses. For the first one, start with the default settings and change these settings as a starting point: Width - 1.10, Shuffling - 1.5, Rotation - full left, Asymmetry - 20. For the other S1, use the same settings but change the Rotation to full right and Asymmetry to -20. Now, for anything in your mix that’s more than 50% panned left, route it through the first bus. Route the “right” content through the second bus. Now adjust the Rotation and Asymmetry controls to taste. You will find that the mix takes on a very three-dimensional character, yet centered sounds are completely uneffected and sound “tight” and centered."
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-21-2003, 03:45 PM
bassmac bassmac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,754
Default Re: Widening Plugins

Here ya go: http://www.waves.com/htmls/prods/indi/ps22.html#

I like it for individual tracks, but I’m not really into widening the mix buss myself - sorry.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-21-2003, 04:32 PM
Chris Lambrechts's Avatar
Chris Lambrechts Chris Lambrechts is offline
Avid
 
Join Date: Apr 1998
Location: Belgium
Posts: 2,025
Default Re: Widening Plugins

widening on the whole mix ????? oh well ... if you have to I guess ... just 'widen' with care and don't let you eye off your phase meter for a second when you do that .... oh, and press the mono switch from time to time too.
__________________
Chris Lambrechts
Applications Specialist- Live Sound
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-21-2003, 06:12 PM
Nicolasixxx Nicolasixxx is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 132
Default Re: Widening Plugins

Actually, I never use a widener on the whole mix, just specific elements that I want to really spread. That said, I remember Charles Dye saying that he routinely puts a Duy wide across the master. I am curious how many people are doing that. I have found that master widening negatively affects center panned elements.

Nic
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-22-2003, 01:56 AM
roberts roberts is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Ont
Posts: 2,438
Default Re: Widening Plugins

Cuan Wider is good also You need to have old DSP farm 3D Spacializer is cool.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
S1 Imager and 'widening' plugins...how do they work? aasteveo Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac) 8 10-06-2012 07:51 AM
Widening... danander11 Tips & Tricks 9 01-14-2009 08:00 AM
Mix window widening xes Pro Tools M-Powered (Win) 2 02-25-2007 12:17 AM
Widening the Stereo Image Punx Tips & Tricks 12 01-16-2003 12:06 AM
Widening the Stereo Image? macjam Tips & Tricks 4 08-13-2002 10:52 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:11 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com