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Old 09-28-2021, 09:21 PM
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No confusion once you think about it a minute. Analog days will teach you. Consider that "channel" is signal flow and "track" is what has fader.

Now a longer explanation.

Back in the days of analog consoles and magnetic tape, the signal flow was pretty often unchanged from session to session. Meaning that preamp one went to magnetic tape track one, was routed back to fader one, and this all was called "channel" which fed buss or output.

Sometimes you wanted to use something more fancy to -say- lead vocal track, so you took your favourite preamp and connected it to the signal flow, which in PT is done simply by choosing different input instead of hardwiring your setup again. As you can see, in normal situation (no external preamps) the preamp one would have been hardwired to fader one.

So, again, "channel" is about signal flow and "track" is the fader that controls what you have.

i do not care if you shout "hey the kick channel is not working" to your tech or "the kick track is suddenly empty" or whatever, but this is the difference of the two concepts. Sometimes the "channel" is more complicated than internal wiring of console preamp to console fader, but maybe you can at least agree that "channel strip" is anything between inputting the track and sending the output to a buss or output.
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No confusion once you think about it a minute. Analog days will teach you. Consider that "channel" is signal flow and "track" is what has fader.
Having worked at A&M, Capitol, Sound Labs, Cherokee, Caribou studios in the golden age of 24 track recording, you probably are lecturing the wrong person about the 'analog days'.

A track is whatever was going to or coming from tape, not the fader.
A channel is the path through the board which is what PT represents with ..... a fader.

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Not needed. Please read page 217, and find some hobby other than the DUC.
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A channel is the path through the board which is what PT represents with ..... a fader.
Yes, that is what I have tried to explain about the so called confusion. Channel is about signal flow, track is tanglible data and control. You seem to agree, but still somehow insist that track and channel are confusing concepts. Track stays intact even when you change channel (signal flow).
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Yes, that is what I have tried to explain about the so called confusion. Channel is about signal flow, track is tanglible data and control. You seem to agree, but still somehow insist that track and channel are confusing concepts. Track stays intact even when you change channel (signal flow).
Because they ARE confusing concepts to some people. Like the OP, and you evidently.

Look, when suddenly a signal path failed, the tech would pull the CHANNEL from the board, not a 'track'.

When we needed to bounce, we bounced 'tracks', not channels.

So when you spank people back to the analog days, stick to the correct terminology of the era.

In the mean time RTFM. Did I mention Pg. 217 ?
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No reason to argue further. When you hit command-shift N on mixer window, does it open New Track dialog or New Channel dialog?

A track is a track you control. A channel is signal flow. Yes on analog console if you pull fader one out of the console, you are affecting signal flow, so it is a channel even though what you have in hand is a fader module.
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No reason to argue further. When you hit command-shift N on mixer window, does it open New Track dialog or New Channel dialog?

A track is a track you control. A channel is signal flow. Yes on analog console if you pull fader one out of the console, you are affecting signal flow, so it is a channel even though what you have in hand is a fader module.

Ok, I give up. Hey...let's do an EP.
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Ok, I give up. Hey...let's do an EP.
Sure. Want to press it on virgin vinyl?
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Sure. Want to press it on virgin vinyl?
With you, of course. I heard vinyl outsold CDs in NA last year.
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