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Re: Eleven Rack---Live Use in Effects Loop?
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Guitar -> 11R TrueZ Input 11R Output to Amp 1 (or 11R FX Send) -> Tube Amp Guitar In Tube Amp FX Send -> 11R FX Return 11R Output to Amp 2 (or main outs) -> Tube Amp FX Return.
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Re: Eleven Rack---Live Use in Effects Loop?
I stand corrected.
Thanks for clarifying that method of routing for us Chris. I'm really enjoying the sounds and ease of use of the 11R! -frantick |
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Re: Eleven Rack---Live Use in Effects Loop?
I use a lot of tube preamps and find it's better to just put them into the eleven rack than try to use the 11R into them. Originally I was going to get some amp heads and a Palmer but I'm finding some good preamps out there for cheap and having lots of fun with it this way. The preamps I collected so far are Mesa Boogie Quad, Peavey Rockmaster, and Sansamp PSA-1. They compliment a lot of the presets well (sometimes you need to turn off the amp). You have the option of going direct and not hauling cabinets around although I still think they need to work on their cabinet selection/mic options a bit but it works pretty good.
But I imagine if you can get these effects into your loop you will be pretty happy. They really figured out how to make some big time sounds and they're adding more presets in a few weeks. Did you end up getting one? It's a dream signal router for everything and it only gets better from here. |
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Re: Eleven Rack---Live Use in Effects Loop?
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Connections: Acoustics into whirlwind 4 X 1 selector Common of whirlwind to input on Taylor K4 pre K4 fx loop send out to Line in 1 on 11R 11R Output to Amp 1 (front) to K4 fx loop return This allows all four acoustics to be used by selecting via footswitch. (note: The amount of effects seen at the K4 will be determined by the 11R Output to Amp 1 level.) Acoustic Rig settings in 11R: rig input to "Line L" effects ahead of amp/cab volume pedal after amp/cab volume setting of amp/cab (amp input 1) to 0db (or desired amount of fx sent to K4) **amp output setting to minimum (-24) **volume pedal set to 0 and bypass note: **this keeps the acoustic fx from feeding into the 11R Mains L and R (electric output to FOH) best Stevie D
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Oopa didn't get to the second page before I posted
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Alternatively, if I just need to forget about using the stomp boxes in the front of the amp, is it possible to just use the time / delay / mod effects in my amps effects loop just like a regular effects rack and still bypass all of the 11R pre-amp distortions and amp models. Bottom line is the amp models are not working for me in my set up and thought I could just use this and my ground pro as a rack effects unit. Thanks in advance for your help! Trying to line this up for rehearsal tomorrow.... |
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I do this 4CM: Guitar>11R input 11R FX send>amp input Amp FX send >11R FX return Amp output 1 or 2 >FX return. This way your guitar goes into the 11R first, and processes everything before the FX loop and sends that into the preamp. FX return on the 11R captures the stops going through the amp's preamp, and then the final output sends the whole thing (post fx loop effects) to the poweramp of the amp. |
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Then what settings/selection do I use for the outputs on my 11R under outputs to amp? I am so new to all of this, I appreciate the help! |
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Re: Eleven Rack---Live Use in Effects Loop?
If you want to send some FX to the input and others through the loop, you need to put the 11R's FX loop between the two...
I'm assuming you won't want to use the same O/D or delays all night, so you'll need to create multiple rigs with the different FX combinations you will use within them. Create them with amp, cab, and mic sims disabled. In each rig, place the FX you want going to the amp input (wahs, overdrives, distortions, etc) at the beginning of the 11R's virtual FX chain, followed by the 11R FX loop block, and then the FX you want in the tube amp's FX loop (the time-based FX). Make sure ALL FX are placed before the virtual amp/cab. Set the "Output to Amp" that you're going to use to "Amp Input" (this will effectively take the final "Output to Amp" signal from the end of the FX chain). Then wire it like this: Guitar>11R input (Tru-Z) 11R FX send>Tube amp input Tube amp FX send>11R FX return 11R Output to Amp>Tube amp FX Return In functional terms, what this accomplishes is: Guitar > "front of amp" FX > amp input > amp FX send > "amp FX loop" FX > amp FX return. In short, it sends the FX that are before the 11R loop to the tube amp input, then takes the output of the tube amp's preamp back to the 11R to run the 11R's time-based FX, and finally returns those FX to the tube power amp. However, this may be a moot exercise. YMMV, but while I love the 11R as a total solution, I find its onboard FX lacking compared to what's available in the market. They are certainly usable, but not something I'd spend $1000 on, especially when compared to FX other units that are better suited to this particular application, that have far more options and configurability, and at less cost. The M9/M13 units from Line6 comes to mind first. It is a popular choice, with lots of great sounding FX, and is True Bypass (I have one, and find it very useful in my "real rig, but it's not in my 11R rig). The TC Nova has some sweet time-based FX, but it must be used either in front of the amp or in the loop; you can't do the 4WM with it. The G-Major is a good in-the-loop solution, but doesn't have overdrives. I haven't tried a lot of the other multi-FX units out there, so can't comment. Don't get me wrong, as a total solution, I don't think you can come close to the 11R. It's a great deal at the price, and sounds awesome as a whole, but it's forte is not its FX (hopefully in future...). There are others who do FX much better, and at this point, if I was looking for a unit to use in this particular application, I'd choose something else. |
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Re: Eleven Rack---Live Use in Effects Loop?
Moss,
Thanks for the reply. However, when I move the amp/cab to the end of the chain, after ALL Effects, the fx loop is the next to the last thing right by the amp and it will not set me put effects between the loop and the amp. It forces me to have the loop at the very beginning or right before the amp in that scenario. weird. |
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