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Re: Apple Studio/Mini - What bits we need
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All the speeds are higher than in 2013 - CPU, GPU, memory, connectivity - but the fundamental design brings bottlenecks which don't exist with a big tower with internal PCIe slots. Still, it will surely run massive sessions. Dominic |
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Re: Apple Studio/Mini - What bits we need
Guys this is a tread about what you need/want/want to discuss because you're getting a Mac Studio. Not about if you're going to buy a Mac Pro or how you think the RAM or isn't is going to work.
Off The Wall already started a great thread about a general discussion over at https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=419195 check it out there and get involved. I want this to be a useful thread about gear we need for the Mac Studio with Pro Tools, that we can update as we research more. Quote:
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I don't use mechanical drives except for backups. HDD = SSD. same same. I used to build enclosures too back in the day but I want all the drives in the same enclosure as I already have a billion drives in their own boxes floating around the studio. I use an NVME for my Pro Tools session drive. Super fast! Quote:
What have you been discussing with Sonnet? Sounds interesting! Quote:
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This is interesting TB3 vs TB4
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Mb - Megabits MB - Megabytes Storage speeds (and memory bus speed) is measured in MB/s. i/o - network, interfaces, parallel and serial comms is measured in Mb/s So TB3/4 is 40Gb/s which is 5GB/s. In practise, you won't get anything like 5GB/s from a TB attached disk, due to a whole number of overheads - protocol translation etc. [This is further confused by the fact that things like SATA interface speed is Gb/s, but disk transfer rates are in GB/s. The maths is easy, but it's easy to get confused as there is not always consistency in how the information is presented.] The fact remains that TB is a bottleneck for external disk enclosures - it doesn't matter if the enclosure has a PCIe card slot in it, the maximum speed is already reduced by it being connected by TB. Whether this matters or not depends entirely on how you use it. For video, it matters. For audio, you'd have to work it out. If you can cache enough of your sample data in RAM, then the overall speed of the external storage won't make much or any difference in practise. If, however, you don't have enough RAM for all your samples to be pre-loaded, then you might choke massive orchestral sessions. Note that M1/Pro/Max/Ultra internal disk runs at super-high speeds and is unconstrained by a TB bottleneck, which is why lots of people recommend buying huge internal disks in these machines, despite the offensive Apple-tax. As always, today's machines are absurdly fast compared with things from 5-10 years ago. The problem is that people keep wanting to do more with what they're given! Dominic |
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It is the bottle neck. But if we used to multitrack record with USB2 or Firewire interfaces. Or stream audio off external drives with USB2/Firewire then if you setup correctly with TB3/4 you have more than enough speed. Do you have the equation you explained above? How would you tackle for example my setup seeing as I've ordered a 10 core, 64GB, 2TB Studio? Mixing TV and Film. No VI's. 3 displays and streaming Video from a Blackmagic/AJA device. Would love to hear you're thoughts as you sound like you're more clued up than most of us and this is the kind of info everyone wants who's pulled the trigger on the Mac Studio. Thanks again for your info
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Just divide it by 8.
Also, you could ask a mod to make this a sticky and you can update the first post with bullet points if you want to keep it organised. There’s no way a forum thread will ever stay on track. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Roger that. Its very misleading. I even heard Sonic Talk's last podcast spruking Thunderbolt 4 at 40 Gigabytes a Second today.
TB3/4 is 5 Gigabytes a Second. That could be an idea making this a sticky but we need alot more helpful info from as many peeps as possible before that. SO fingers crossed. I actually just cancelled my Mac Studio order with the 1TB SSD and ordered a new one with 2TB. Then I can partition the drive and use a TB or so for my Pro Tools drive. Can't imagine you're gonna get anything faster than an internal SSD in the Studio. I might just sell the Blackmagic PCIe card and get a TB box version. And never mind with PCIe in the first place. Even though I have a NVME Drive and PCIe card Need a big enclosure for all my backup drives, SFX libraries, Video drive ect. I think this might just fit the best.
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I think the Mac studio is perfect for project studios and the entry market but for the stuff I rely on with my Mac, I'd be terrified if something broke on the logic board. It's a potential not a definite of course. Ok right to be concerned because we've seen Mac minis go pop suddenly.
Then what, wait for warranty repair and replacement with a poorly refurbished logic board? I guess we could say the price isn't exactly entry level and the specs are very good but eventually like everything it will become obsolete. I can't even upgrade it I couldn't even swap the boot drive SSD out to continue working in pro tools again from a cloned disk. The worry would be too much for me. Perhaps I'm overreacting but for me the risk is too great. The financial impact this could cause is almost unthinkable. As much as I'd love to commit to one of these, it does look gorgeous, I would prefer a Mac pro that can be upgraded and repaired if needed. (Hopefully the new one will be upgradable) l |
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If that's the case then I'm in!
Maybe I'll see how others get on with theirs first. l |
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