Pro tools Studio and Hd Native.

[LDS]

Originally Posted by daeron80

1 or a million inputs, the point is, if I wanted to, I could use the thunderbolt HD Native/Omni with Cubase, Reaper, Studio One, or any other DAW I wanted. But if I want to use it with Pro Tools, I have to fork out the big bucks. They're basically telling customers, "thanks for the dough, now go away."

Not really, though. For the first eight years of the ten years that HD Native cards were available, you could only ever buy them as complete hardware/software bundles. A HD native card always came with a HD/Ultimate license, and a HD/Ultimate license would always come with a HDX or HD Native card. You couldn't buy either separately. You're basically telling the users who forked out the big bucks over the years - those who purchased HD Hardware with Ultimate licenses, that you basically grabbed a cheap HD native card on eBay in ignorance and have now come to regret your decision.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see HD hardware supported in Pro Tools Studio but it has never happened in the past, and I don't really expect it to happen in the future. The users who paid 'the big bucks' forked out $999 to upgrade HD10 to HD11. Today users can upgrade HD10 to 2022.5 plus an extra year of support for just $375.00. You're complaining about the cost when it has literally never been cheaper...

[Darryl Ramm]

Instead of Pro Tools Flex, maybe Pro Tools Ultimate should be renamed Pro Tools Helsinki. As in Helsinki Sweden.



I think Avid just goofed not allowing Studio to work with DigiLink, maybe leave HDX on Ultimate (and via Carbon with Studio) at least HD Native which would only be up to 64 IO, maybe that's coming, and at least doing away with the silly DigilLink licenses was one small improvement.

[LDS]

Originally Posted by Darryl Ramm

Instead of Pro Tools Flex, maybe Pro Tools Ultimate should be renamed Pro Tools Helsinki. As in Helsinki Sweden.

But why? I'm not the one yearning for 10 or 12 year old HD hardware. With the recent changes in Pro Tools Ultimate I/O and surges in used prices, I just happily sold two HDX cards for more than I paid for them 4 or 5 years ago and ain't looking back!

Obviously the grip Avid has over Pro Tools Studio users is a lot stronger than those using Ultimate.

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by daeron80

1 or a million inputs, the point is, if I wanted to, I could use the thunderbolt HD Native/Omni with Cubase, Reaper, Studio One, or any other DAW I wanted. But if I want to use it with Pro Tools, I have to fork out the big bucks. They're basically telling customers, "thanks for the dough, now go away."

You're trying to make a point, and that point is correct. Technically speaking, Avid has inserted an artificial wedge between their software and their hardware, a wedge you must pay to remove. It feels ironic that their hardware works with other DAWs for free, but NOT ProTools, Avid's own DAW.

[LDS]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

You're trying to make a point, and that point is correct. Technically speaking, Avid has inserted an artificial wedge between their software and their hardware, a wedge you must pay to remove. It feels ironic that their hardware works with other DAWs for free, but NOT ProTools, Avid's own DAW.

Or you can just buy one of these and watch the 'irony' flip to thickheadedness.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32521944391...0AAOSwOL5inUGF

[daeron80]

Originally Posted by LDS

Or you can just buy one of these and watch the 'irony' flip to thickheadedness.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32521944391...0AAOSwOL5inUGF

I'm not sure what that card adds to the equation, and I would have to also buy an expansion chassis to use it with my MacBook. But the situation in view for me is, if you already have HD Native, and are sick of forking out as much for PT every year as you would pay for Cubase once, why keep paying? In my case, my company will keep the Ultimate license up to date. But I'm sure there are individual users who have jumped ship already because the math didn't add up anymore.

[mandal]

Originally Posted by Darryl Ramm

As in Helsinki Sweden.

....ehhhhh ...Sweden ?

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by mandal

....ehhhhh ...Sweden ?

[albee1952]

Well played sir

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by daeron80

But I'm sure there are individual users who have jumped ship already because the math didn't add up anymore.

Many, many users have done this. Yet Avid does the math and continues business as they do. Our complaining (and I include myself) doesn't appear to be influential.