M&E's dipped or undipped?

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Hello, hello

I have built some very nice M&E's for a project and now I'm doing the English composite mix after. It's great to do it this way but my clients frequently don't have time or money for M&E's first.

My question is, does anyone put "dips" in a pre-built M&E track to accommodate the dialogue -- deliver the M&E with dips?? Or to put it another way, do these steps make sense to you??...

1. Build the fully-filled M&E track sans dialogue (except with as many fx as you can extract from source dial track)
2. Build the dialogue mix from the dialogue tracks (a separate process)
3. Selectively Integrate fx (and music, if available) from the M&E into the English mix, completing the English mix
4. In the process the fx (and music) are mixed against the dialogue.
5. Then go back and reconstitute the fully-filled M&E based on the dialogue parameters.
6. Deliver the fully-filled M&E element from step 5.

Of course, I could deliver the E element from step 1, which sounds terrific and has everything there, including fx which were extracted from the dialogue track in the first place...

This gives a foreign mixer the opportunity to mix the M&E against their ADR they way they want, instead of me second guessing the whole thing. On the other hand, with step 5, all they'd have to do is just mix their adr, without having to adjust the M&E in any way, and they're done. What do you think? There must be other threads on this exact topic but I didn't find them.

thanks

please direct me to any relevant threads on this topic

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